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Old 15th Mar 2019, 22:51
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It may interest contributors to know that the weight of the voting slips for the slim majority who voted to leave the EU amounted to a figure in excess of 4,250 Kg. You wouldn't want to be standing around under that weight if it dropped on your head. Unfortunately that is what is going to happen to our MPs if they fail to deliver Brexit.

The 4,250Kg figure is calculated assuming 2.5 grams per voting slip. A standard sheet of A4 paper weighs roughly 5 grams, so the figure is probably an underestimate. Well over four tonnes of paper, just for the majority who voted leave!

That means that each percentage point in the referendum consumed the equivalent of at least a tonne of paper. Now if trees had a vote...
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 05:46
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Originally Posted by G0ULI View Post
It may interest contributors to know that the weight of the voting slips for the slim majority who voted to leave the EU amounted to a figure in excess of 4,250 Kg. You wouldn't want to be standing around under that weight if it dropped on your head. Unfortunately that is what is going to happen to our MPs if they fail to deliver Brexit.

The 4,250Kg figure is calculated assuming 2.5 grams per voting slip. A standard sheet of A4 paper weighs roughly 5 grams, so the figure is probably an underestimate. Well over four tonnes of paper, just for the majority who voted leave!

That means that each percentage point in the referendum consumed the equivalent of at least a tonne of paper. Now if trees had a vote...
Ah ! one of the most invaluable and essential pieces of information ever contained in "Letter from Norfolk "....but shurely, a prime contender for the esteemed Admirals thread !

Meanwhile, it's always a good idea to read the small print when dealing with matters of Gov't. .....so we await any over looked exclusion clause....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...rt-eu-election

There again, when it comes down to the small print, it's even more useful if you've conveniently ignored including any.....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47592812
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 06:36
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https://www.politico.eu/article/docu...n-eu-election/

Document: Brexit by July 1 unless UK votes in EU election

Brexit can't be delayed beyond July 1 unless Britain takes part in the European Parliament election at the end of May, according to an EU document presented to ambassadors of member countries on Friday.

The document, prepared by EU officials, sets out the legal issues that would be raised by Britain requesting an extension of the Article 50 period, as Prime Minister Theresa May is expected to do next week.

The text states that a withdrawing member country is legally bound to organize European Parliament elections between May 23 and May 26 this year. If the member country does not do so and the new Parliament holds its first session on July 2 with that country still in the bloc, the EU institutions "cease being able to operate in a secure legal context."

"It follows that no extension should be granted beyond 1 July unless the European Parliament elections are held at the mandatory date," the document says.

The document says that multiple extensions to the Article 50 period are theoretically possible. But if the U.K. were granted an extension until July 1 and did not take part in the European Parliament election, it could not then be given a further extension.

"It follows that if an initial extension puts the withdrawal date after the date of the European Parliament elections, and if these elections were not organised by the withdrawing State, this would make any further extension impossible," the document says.

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Old 16th Mar 2019, 08:52
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Everything is impossible until it would work in the favour of the evil empire in Brussels were it not so, at which point everything and anything from manipulations of referendums to non accounting of national debts to unelected changes of government can and do occur. Already the EU its own army up its sleevies, a military force that it will undoubtedly use in the future to impose its will on recalcitrant countries, thereby saving a fortune in financial finagling.
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 09:45
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It's all very well discussing how long an extension might be allowed, but the bigger question remains why.
​​​​​​I can't see the EU granting an extension without it being for a specific named purpose, and we all know the limited choices.
​​​Simply making a few more dents in the same battered old can won't cut it.
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 10:30
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Apparently some 350 people have turned up for the "leave" march - if they're the ones who are going to start the civil war when #brexit is cancelled I don't think we've got very much to worry about. There are expected to be a few more than that on the "remain" march on 23rd - most people are expecting a million.
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 11:20
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
Apparently some 350 people have turned up for the "leave" march - if they're the ones who are going to start the civil war when #brexit is cancelled I don't think we've got very much to worry about. There are expected to be a few more than that on the "remain" march on 23rd - most people are expecting a million.
Further reports from the #GammonBallRun suggest that

(1) There are around 100 of them, not 350.

(2) Farage himself, who "organised" this "march", has chickened out and gone home.

(3) The marchers have already started beating up passers-by.
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 11:38
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Perfect Brexit metaphor. Pointless, wet, cold, contains lies & broken promises.
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 18:33
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Came across this today.





Kind of gives the correct impression of who those fanatical Remainers in the UK share their political ideology

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Old 16th Mar 2019, 18:34
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
Further reports from the #GammonBallRun suggest that

(1) There are around 100 of them, not 350.

(2) Farage himself, who "organised" this "march", has chickened out and gone home.

(3) The marchers have already started beating up passers-by.
Ah, but, Gertie, cast your mind back to the last "triumphalist " march organised by the Divine Saviour..a meer 100000 were projected to march on the HoC led by Nige ( white prancing horse optional ) but, alas, in the event, well non event to be more precise, about 30 or 40 misguide souls actually attended ( plus a couple of golden retrievers ) and this epic march will be the same...the rapt throng when a clapped out double decker lurched to a stop in Bolton weren't going to cause GMP any crowd control issues ether. Anyway, with Nige's trademark healthy lifestyle, 2 miles let alone 200 could well induce a heart attack.......this is purely hypothetical and not wishful thinking less what are left of the UKIP brethren on here accuse me of such heresy.....but, and here's the real allure, for a mere £50 as a "core marcher ",you get fed twice a day and somewhere to doss for the night...bargain ! ...tour of the East side of the UK for next to nothing ! ....will they be limping fearlessly into Cambridge at all ?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...off-for-london
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 18:52
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Originally Posted by Hussar 54 View Post
Came across this today.





Kind of gives the correct impression of who those fanatical Remainers in the UK share their political ideology
Bless. The angry is palpable

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Old 16th Mar 2019, 19:28
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Just as easily put the quitters faces ona pices of paper-you are telling me that Farage Gove Fox Rees_Mogg are not equally loathsome characters .

if one wants to sum p Brexit here it is in a sentance

'UK signs post brexit trade deal with Papua New Guinea and Fiji '

two countries ten thousand miles away or more with economies the size of Staines with nothing to export but coconuts in one case and in the other obviously we are looking to deal with a country where they still have headhunters and are completely dependent for everything on aid from Australia so they are going to buy ZEro, nothing nada from us.

It seems Liam Fox goal is to deal only with countries at least ten thousand miles away- the above plus Aussie and NZ and Chile, nice carbon footprints there Mr Gove but at least Liam racks up even more first class BA miles, while his deal with the significant world is -let everything in for free and then negotiate a trade deal-talk about a negotiating position. But hey take back control, dont leave trade negotiations to people who know what they are doing

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Old 16th Mar 2019, 20:25
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Originally Posted by pax britanica View Post
Just as easily put the quitters faces ona pices of paper-you are telling me that Farage Gove Fox Rees_Mogg are not equally loathsome characters .

if one wants to sum p Brexit here it is in a sentance

'UK signs post brexit trade deal with Papua New Guinea and Fiji '

two countries ten thousand miles away or more with economies the size of Staines with nothing to export but coconuts in one case and in the other obviously we are looking to deal with a country where they still have headhunters and are completely dependent for everything on aid from Australia so they are going to buy ZEro, nothing nada from us.

It seems Liam Fox goal is to deal only with countries at least ten thousand miles away- the above plus Aussie and NZ and Chile, nice carbon footprints there Mr Gove but at least Liam racks up even more first class BA miles, while his deal with the significant world is -let everything in for free and then negotiate a trade deal-talk about a negotiating position. But hey take back control, dont leave trade negotiations to people who know what they are doing
Why is it that when the UK enters into a trade arrangement with PNG you think it only fit for derision, but when the EU does the same thing that's ok and you make no negative comments?
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 20:34
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
( plus a couple of golden retrievers )
Not my thing, and I've kept well away, but I gather that the "Wooferendum" crowd have managed more than "a couple" of dogs for the "remain" side.
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 20:38
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Barking, the lot of them....
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 20:48
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Originally Posted by pax britanica View Post
Just as easily put the quitters faces ona pices of paper-you are telling me that Farage Gove Fox Rees_Mogg are not equally loathsome characters .

if one wants to sum p Brexit here it is in a sentance

'UK signs post brexit trade deal with Papua New Guinea and Fiji '

two countries ten thousand miles away or more with economies the size of Staines with nothing to export but coconuts in one case and in the other obviously we are looking to deal with a country where they still have headhunters and are completely dependent for everything on aid from Australia so they are going to buy ZEro, nothing nada from us.

It seems Liam Fox goal is to deal only with countries at least ten thousand miles away- the above plus Aussie and NZ and Chile, nice carbon footprints there Mr Gove but at least Liam racks up even more first class BA miles, while his deal with the significant world is -let everything in for free and then negotiate a trade deal-talk about a negotiating position. But hey take back control, dont leave trade negotiations to people who know what they are doing
Is this additional trade deals on top of what we already have with those countries, fail to see what that has to do with Brexit either, however below are the 2018 figures:

Papua New Guinea $11.7 million
Fiji $21.6 million
Australia $5.8 billion
New Zealand $1.2 billion
Chile $767.5 million

Plus a couple of others that are far away out of the 222 countries across the world that we already trade with:
China $27.5 billion
Japan $8.3 billion

Has not been a problem to date with places being at least ten thousand miles away, and don't see any major carbon footprint change from what is already expended.

Data from here:

United Kingdom?s Top Trading Partners
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 20:51
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Plus a couple of others that are far away out of the 222 countries across the world that we already trade with:
You have created 27 new countries. Brexit dividend is provident.
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 21:04
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
You have created 27 new countries. Brexit dividend is provident.
I just took the figures from the link posted, did not check all 222 of them to see what they were, from underneath the table titled as below:

[COLOR=left=#000000]Searchable Datalist of Countries Importing UK Exports[/COLOR]

[COLOR=left=#000000]Showing 1 to 10 of 222 entries

Must do due diligence in future and check every sentence, paragraph and in posts like this one the countries listed to ensure the originator has not made a mistake that could be attributable to myself, hope others will be good enough to reciprocate, would not want false information here now would we [/COLOR]

Just to add that I never thought to type into Google; how many countries are there in the world, if I had I would have noted the anomaly; http://www.worldometers.info/geograp...-in-the-world/

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Old 16th Mar 2019, 21:33
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Just to add that I never thought to type into Google; how many countries are there in the world
Both lists would appear to be incomplete, eg I can't find Kosovo in either (and I know it's a real place, I've been there).
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 21:37
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Partially recognised state in a disputed territory innit.
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