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Old 14th Mar 2019, 16:50
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Fancy Treeza not taking his advice !......but it's nice to see the enthusiasm for the inevitably one side ( and it won't be to the UK's advantage ) trade deal.....

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ks-latest-news
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 17:05
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 17:21
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Which simply confirms once again what we all know.
Britain is split irreparably down the middle over Brexit.
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 17:41
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Which simply confirms once again what we all know.
Britain is split irreparably down the middle over Brexit.
I don't believe anyone wants a delay, but since MPs can't decide what they want (just what they don't) there is little alternative to go back to Brussels and grovel to get one. That leave voters are less keen than remain voters is obviously because they fear a delay will be the start of a slippery slope towards no Brexit; remainers keener as they can see the downside of leaving with no deal, and of course, they too believe that it is the start move towards no Brexit.
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 18:22
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There has been two and a half years of delay and time for preparation for Brexit. Only now, with two weeks to go until Brexit, are moves being made to delay Brexit because there hasn't been enough time to prepare. Get real!

Hard Brexit may not be the government's position, but it sits well with at least 17.4 million people.
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 19:01
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According to a BBC report just now, his "advice" consisted mainly that May should sue the EU! The same article revealed how he lied about predicting the outcome of the referendum. He said he predicted Brexit a day before the referendum while at his golf course in Scotland. Shame he was actually at his golf course the day after the referendum!
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 19:21
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Pax its not a harking back to the good old days, it more a intense dislike over the ever closer political, financial and military union that the eu is determined to proceed with despite the population of many of its members nations not wanting a united states of europe. The really worrying thing is that the eu has repetedly ignored the signs that closer integration is not very popular. Hence the ever increasing popularity of anti eu parties. The make up of the eu parliament after the elections in May may well be very differnt. if it were purely a trading bloc which it was originally then brexit would not have been an issue. However it has become increasingly obvious by fair means or foul that it has evolved into something the uk and a lot of member states did not sign up to. The counties of the former eastern block did not throw off the shackles of the old ussr only to join something that is evolving into something similar.
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 19:21
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
In the old days, which I remember with affection, a lot of the 17,4 million would have marched on Parliament with the certain intention of tarring and feathering the few hundred.
The next march is on 23rd. The expectation is that there will be 1m remainers and about 27 #NeonNazis. But I'm sure they'd welcome you making that 28.
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 19:59
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Originally Posted by Parapunter;1041806\

Take the medicine, you had a chance, you came at it without a plan, only a string of self serving delusions that got you absolutely nowhere. Pull the plug now, learn the lessons, come back in due course with a fresh mandate coupled with a workable plan & try again.
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 20:03
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Which simply confirms once again what we all know.
Britain is split irreparably down the middle over Brexit.
​​​​​​On what basis?
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 20:05
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
According to a BBC report just now, his "advice" consisted mainly that May should sue the EU! The same article revealed how he lied about predicting the outcome of the referendum. He said he predicted Brexit a day before the referendum while at his golf course in Scotland. Shame he was actually at his golf course the day after the referendum!
Who?

Was it Trump?
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 20:41
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Chaotic as the Brexit state is the last thing it needs is a serial liar multiple bankcrupt ego centric lunatic like Trump getign involved . And the second last thing is Farage he of the I dont care because my wifes a German and so are my kids and evn me when it comes to passports .

And as for trade deal with UK-well if his motto is America first where does that leave us, and we all know how the Yanks negotiate with people with no clout .

The two most famous democracies proving that traditon doesnt work in the modern world, far to open to manipulation by evil people , one of which might be Comrade Vlad but the others are all home grown in both countries -the evil elite in USA and the marginally less evil and marginally less elite in UK
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 21:03
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Not sure I understand this.

May offered a vote on leaving with her deal and got turned down. Then she offered a vote on leaving without a deal and got turned down. Next she will offer a deal on getting a delay.

It seems to me that when her deal was turned down the no deal option was triggered automatically as delay is contingent on unanimous approval from all the EU countries, it is not in May's or parliament's discretion to grant it. How can you send your PM to negotiate after you have taken all her cards off the table?
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 21:14
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
The next march is on 23rd. The expectation is that there will be 1m remainers and about 27 #NeonNazis. But I'm sure they'd welcome you making that 28.


The usual abuse from the usual sources !!

Grow up or go forth and multiply, for God's sake.
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 21:17
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8823836.html

Brexit: Cabinet unity crumbles as eight top ministers refuse to back Theresa May's Article 50 extension

The unity of Theresa May’s cabinet has publicly crumbled after eight of her most senior ministers refused to back her plan to delay Brexit by three months. Those who failed to support it included the prime minister’s Brexit secretary Stephen Barclay, who was joined by 187 other Conservative MPs and frontbenchers in voting against her approach.......

As well as Mr Barclay, top ministers who voted against her approach included defence secretary Gavin Williamson, trade secretary Liam Fox, commons leader Andrea Leadsom, Treasury secretary Liz Truss, transport secretary Chris Grayling and development secretary Penny Mordaunt. Welsh secretary Alun Cairns abstained. A further 27 more junior ministers and 11 whips also voted against the approach Ms May is taking, including the outspoken Conservative deputy chairman James Cleverly and other Brexit ministers Kwasi Kwarteng and Chris Heaton-Harris. Three other whips including chief Julian Smith declined to vote.

A Downing Street spokesman sought to play down the splits in the cabinet and wider party, pointing out that the prime minister had granted them a free vote so it was normal that they could chose to act they wished.......




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Old 14th Mar 2019, 22:50
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Originally Posted by G0ULI View Post
Hard Brexit may not be the government's position, but it sits well with at least 17.4 million people.
Rubbish! As with Remain, different people thought they were voting for different things. Collectively 17.4 million voted for Brexit in some form, but they certainly didnít all vote for a hard Brexit. And Remainers get called arrogant!!
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 22:56
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Originally Posted by Curious Pax View Post
they certainly didnít all vote for a hard Brexit
A fair number have said:

"I didn't actually want us to leave the EU. I thought remain was going to win, so it was safe voting leave to give the government a kicking."

They, in particular, did not want any sort of #brexit, so a fortiori they didn't want a hard #brexit.
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 23:30
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
A fair number have said:

"I didn't actually want us to leave the EU. I thought remain was going to win, so it was safe voting leave to give the government a kicking."

They, in particular, did not want any sort of #brexit, so a fortiori they didn't want a hard #brexit.


If it was even only 1% who did as you're suggesting, that would be 174,000 people.

You've spoken to them all, have you ??

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Old 14th Mar 2019, 23:51
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Originally Posted by Hussar 54 View Post
If it was even only 1% who did as you're suggesting, that would be 174,000 people.
It only takes one such person - and I've seen more than one say it - to disprove the "all". One single counterexample is always enough to disprove any "all" (spot the mathematical training).
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Old 15th Mar 2019, 00:02
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
It only takes one such person - and I've seen more than one say it - to disprove the "all". One single counterexample is always enough to disprove any "all" (spot the mathematical training).

Funny.....


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