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Old 1st Nov 2018, 21:23
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Originally Posted by Hussar 54 View Post
As I see and understand it, the decision to hold a referendum was pure, out and out politics by Cameron simply to avoid the Conservatives losing votes and seats to UKIP...
Well that much at least we can agree on entirely.
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Old 1st Nov 2018, 21:24
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Originally Posted by Hussar 54 View Post
I really have no idea whether the payments were legal or illegal .
Then you should take more care to comment from a position of strength. The allegations surrounding Banks relate to the provenance of his loans to the grim Leave EU organisation. Cameron's leaflet & Soros' subsequent donations occured outside of regulated campaign periods & consequently are not under scrutiny. In any event, that is all besides the point. What matters here is the independence of British democracy. It is VITAL the political process is not funded & therefore under the influence of any covert foreign finance.

Banks has been shown to lie about several aspects of Leave EU's finances & has hitherto failed to offer any credible assurances on the source of his money. As I've said already today, Brexit is now a matter of blind faith for its supporters & therefore I am very happy to point out the rank hypocrisy of those who bang on about second votes undermining democracy or the will of the people but are more than happy to look the other way when it comes to serious allegations of interference in the referendum because it suits their political Christmas list.

You could go so far as to suggest those people are the polar opposite of patriots with the country's interests at heart & make a decent case for saying so.
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Old 1st Nov 2018, 21:36
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Then you should take more care to comment from a position of strength. The allegations surrounding Banks relate to the provenance of his loans to the grim Leave EU organisation. Cameron's leaflet & Soros' subsequent donations occured outside of regulated campaign periods & consequently are not under scrutiny. In any event, that is all besides the point. What matters here is the independence of British democracy. It is VITAL the political process is not funded & therefore under the influence of any covert foreign finance.

Banks has been shown to lie about several aspects of Leave EU's finances & has hitherto failed to offer any credible assurances on the source of his money. As I've said already today, Brexit is now a matter of blind faith for its supporters & therefore I am very happy to point out the rank hypocrisy of those who bang on about second votes undermining democracy or the will of the people but are more than happy to look the other way when it comes to serious allegations of interference in the referendum because it suits their political Christmas list.

You could go so far as to suggest those people are the polar opposite of patriots with the country's interests at heart & make a decent case for saying so.

As I said....No idea about the UK's rules, so thanks for explaining the technicality why arch capitalist Soros ( not British citizen or resident and known as The Man who broke The Bank of England ) can donate as much as he wants to reverse a democratic vote in the UK, as weird as it seems to the rest of us.
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Old 1st Nov 2018, 23:05
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Originally Posted by Hussar 54 View Post
that's something which baffles many of us not in the UK, the fact that Political Parties attract ' donations ' from all and sundry and spend it more or less how they choose
They can't. Anyone who's told you that is lying to you.

Some people can make donations and others can't, so "all and sundry" is a lie. Try handing over a company cheque for more than tuppence ha'penny and see how much paperwork you're asked for to prove that it's legal.

There are extremely strict spending rules on how much you can spend (why for example do you think that most political leaflets are printed on bog paper? - 'cos it has to be cheap to keep within the spending limits) and what you can spend it on (ever see paid political advertising on TV in the UK?), so "spend it more or less how they choose" is a lie.

So, basically, lies.
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Old 1st Nov 2018, 23:10
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Originally Posted by Hussar 54 View Post
As I see and understand it, the decision to hold a referendum ...
It is widely held that there was no such decision.

Cameron made a decision to promise a referendum but had no intention of delivering it, assuming that he would be in coalition with the LibDems again, and the LibDems would say "don't be silly", and Cameron would then be able to go to his right-wing anti-EU nutters and say "aw, shucks, I tried to get you your referendum, but it didn't quite work out, sorry about that, bloody LibDems", result everybody happy.

But he got his sums wrong and won a few too many seats, helped by Labour.
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If you are a UK taxpayer, you should be so proud of this. After all, it took around seven years worth of your aid money to build this...





https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-46028342
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Old 2nd Nov 2018, 05:57
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Given the source is the Sun, which in itself ensures minimalism takes on a whole new meaning when it comes to facts and journalistic standards, it appears there may well be some credibility for reincarnation after all.

Of course, there's the little matter of actually getting elected first and even die hard Tories should be hard pressed to salve their blue rinse consciences by scrawling an "X" in the box against his name, plus, being the modest soul he is, why bother with being a mere back bencher when you can shamelessly self promote yourself to Foreign Sec !.....now there's a classic piece of Tory democracy for the chaps to applaud.

Quite what, and why, the UK's worst PM ever, albeit Treeza is doing her best to achieve this accolade, has decided to resurrect himself remains, for now, a mystery. Maybe those who have been paying a lot of money to listen for a few minutes, compared to several years for the UK population, have realised that basically he's nothing more than a PR bolleaux orator and there are better options to spend money on than an evening with..........Dave !



https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ays-labour-mps

Siti old boy !

" If you are a UK taxpayer, you should be so proud of this. After all, it took around seven years of your aid money to build this..."

Erm, one small query please. Where, other than in your own mind and fanciful and / or foetid imagination that is, does it say in the article that the project was funded by UK taxpayers and foreign aid ?......

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the project was funded by UK taxpayers and foreign aid
Because our aid released funds to build it.
I suppose it makes a change from luxury jets and mansions in London and Paris that our overseas aid to Socialist countries normally goes on.
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Old 2nd Nov 2018, 08:45
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https://order-order.com/2018/11/01/a...ency-referral/

Aaron Banks Responds

Arron Banks has issued a statement in response to the news that he has been referred to the National Crime Agency by the Electoral Commission:

“I am pleased that the Electoral Commission has referred me to the National Crime Agency. I am confident that a full and frank investigation will finally put an end to the ludicrous allegations levelled against me and my colleagues.

There is no evidence of any wrongdoing from the companies I own. I am a UK taxpayer and I have never received any foreign donations. The Electoral Commission has produced no evidence to the contrary.

The Electoral Commission has referred me to the National Crime Agency under intense political pressure from anti-Brexit supporters.

I am already in court with the Electoral Commission. In witness statements the commission has admitted it got its figures wrong in relation to a previous investigation and it even submitted its final report without taking evidence from us.

Isn’t it funny that none of the financial contributions made by George Soros to British political campaigns are ever subject to any level of scrutiny by the Electoral Commission despite his being a foreign national.”
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
It is widely held that there was no such decision.

Cameron made a decision to promise a referendum but had no intention of delivering it, assuming that he would be in coalition with the LibDems again, and the LibDems would say "don't be silly", and Cameron would then be able to go to his right-wing anti-EU nutters and say "aw, shucks, I tried to get you your referendum, but it didn't quite work out, sorry about that, bloody LibDems", result everybody happy.

But he got his sums wrong and won a few too many seats, helped by Labour.
Where is this "widely held"?

How do you know what you have written is true? Is it documented, or is it just another 'lie'?

And as far as the "result everybody happy", is obviously wrong, as the majority voted to leave.


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Old 2nd Nov 2018, 09:15
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Because our aid released funds to build it.
I suppose it makes a change from luxury jets and mansions in London and Paris that our overseas aid to Socialist countries normally goes on.
Oh did it now....so is this just standard JB conjecture or do you have any corroborative evidence to show how the funding was sourced ?

Whilst you are engaged in this research, here's Treeza's vision of the past being resurrected...the past being the Empire of course. This was mentioned previously but did not, strangely, encounter any murmurs of disapproval from those on here for whom the Empire and Colonialism is sacrosanct......and she's seemingly oblivious to the fact China has already got more than a head start and probably isn't going to simply withdraw and let the British wallow in the past.

We could always send a gun boat ( well ok, a RIB with a couple of Marines and rifles ) up a river in China of course..just to remind them....

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8509791.html
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Old 2nd Nov 2018, 10:37
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...emitism-claims

Police open antisemitism inquiry into Labour members

Scotland Yard has opened a criminal investigation into allegations of antisemitic hate crimes linked to Labour party members, according to the commissioner of the Metropolitan police.

Cressida Dick said officers had reviewed a leaked party dossier detailing 45 cases of alleged antisemitism that was passed to her in September by the radio station LBC. The UK’s most senior police officer told the BBC she believed there could be a case to answer and, as a result, the force was consulting with prosecutors on the next steps.

“We have been assessing some material that was passed to me, in a radio studio of all things, about two months ago and we are now investigating some of that material because it appears there may have been a crime committed,” Dick said. “We are liaising immediately with the Crown Prosecution Service and I hope we will be able to clear that up very quickly.”

https://order-order.com/2018/11/02/c...n-anti-semite/

Labour’s anti-Semitism problem is in the spotlight again as it emerged this morning that the Metropolitan Police have launched a criminal investigation into allegations of anti-Semitism within the party. The police have been examining an internal Labour document detailing allegations of anti-Semitism which was obtained by LBC and concluded that several allegations within it were worthy of full criminal investigations.

It comes as a new Populus/BICOM poll found that 38% of Brits believe that Corbyn himself is anti-Semitic. Only 1 in 4 people agreed that he was a “committed campaigner against racism of all kinds, including antisemitism”, while as few as 19% believed that he had “worked hard to deliver peace between Israel and the Palestinians”. Almost double that number instead thought that he “only seems interested in talking to those organisations which have been deemed terrorists by the British Government, the EU and the US State Department”. The fish rots from the head...



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Old 2nd Nov 2018, 11:01
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...emitism-claims

Police open antisemitism inquiry into Labour members

Scotland Yard has opened a criminal investigation into allegations of antisemitic hate crimes linked to Labour party members, according to the commissioner of the Metropolitan police.

Cressida Dick said officers had reviewed a leaked party dossier detailing 45 cases of alleged antisemitism that was passed to her in September by the radio station LBC.

The UK’s most senior police officer told the BBC she believed there could be a case to answer and, as a result, the force was consulting with prosecutors on the next steps. We have been assessing some material that was passed to me, in a radio studio of all things, about two months ago and we are now investigating some of that material because it appears there may have been a crime committed,” Dick said. “We are liaising immediately with the Crown Prosecution Service and I hope we will be able to clear that up very quickly.”

https://order-order.com/2018/11/02/c...n-anti-semite/

Labour’s anti-Semitism problem is in the spotlight again as it emerged this morning that the Metropolitan Police have launched a criminal investigation into allegations of anti-Semitism within the party. The police have been examining an internal Labour document detailing allegations of anti-Semitism which was obtained by LBC and concluded that several allegations within it were worthy of full criminal investigations.

It comes as a new Populus/BICOM poll found that 38% of Brits believe that Corbyn himself is anti-Semitic. Only 1 in 4 people agreed that he was a “committed campaigner against racism of all kinds, including antisemitism”, while as few as 19% believed that he had “worked hard to deliver peace between Israel and the Palestinians”. Almost double that number instead thought that he “only seems interested in talking to those organisations which have been deemed terrorists by the British Government, the EU and the US State Department”. The fish rots from the head...



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The appalling Lib Dems, who aspire to look after your money, and do so on several councils, can't even manage their own cash:

Guido hears that gallows humour has been in order at Lib Dem HQ today following the news that 25% of staff are set to be made redundant, with disgruntled staffers reportedly sending round a parody of the infamous note Liam Byrne left David Laws in the Treasury in 2010 using Vince Cable’s signature instead. While Guido has sadly not been able to procure the precise version doing the rounds in Lib Dem HQ, he has mocked up a copy for your viewing pleasure nonetheless, featuring Vince’s notoriously minimalist signature.

Eight years ago the Lib Dems received the letter as they were entering Government – now they can’t even afford their own staff costs. Spending all your energy trying to fight Brexit isn’t looking to be a very financially sound strategy today
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Old 2nd Nov 2018, 19:33
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The appalling Lib Dems, who aspire to look after your money, and do so on several councils, can't even manage their own cash:
Another Leftie outfit, the National Union of Students, is on the verge of bankruptcy and has the begging bowl out.

Socialists and finances, the saga continues !
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The appalling Lib Dems, who aspire to look after your money, and do so on several councils, can't even manage their own cash:
One council has even pretty much gone bust: Northamptonshire financial collapse

Oh - wait a sec.....
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Another Leftie outfit, the National Union of Students, is on the verge of bankruptcy and has the begging bowl out.

Socialists and finances, the saga continues !
Siti old boy !

Sadly, twud appear this event has been erased from thine memory. True, Labour didn't exactly rescind the policy when they had the opportunity, but, remind us of which Gov't and political hue are so zealous when it comes to privatisation .........a helpful clue here, less thou are perplexed .......begins with a capital C ends with an e and the current, nominal, leader's initials are T.M. the surname being the same as the fifth month of the year, the one after April and before June.....

https://www.theguardian.com/business...g-flaws-report

Ever mindful of the chums affinity for their rabid patriotism, here's a bonus for you.....a link from the BBC and, containing references and terms ( such as multicultural ......I know, but, the term has not been banned by the British Board of Film Censors so it can be used in public ) which some readers "may find distressing " as they say when about to broadcast scenes of whatever form of carnage is in vogue......not the magazine chaps, to save you all wondering.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45979800

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It comes as a new Populus/BICOM poll found that 38% of Brits believe that Corbyn himself is anti-Semitic.
BICOM = Britain Israel Communications Research Centre. Well who would have thought that? An organisation representing a section of society that has been running a hate campaign against Corbyn for some time conducts a poll that comes up with some (in my opinion) bogus numbers that just happen to serve their purpose!
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I believe the poll was conducted by populus - but by all means keep your head in the sand....
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BICOM = Britain Israel Communications Research Centre. Well who would have thought that? An organisation representing a section of society that has been running a hate campaign against Corbyn for some time conducts a poll that comes up with some (in my opinion) bogus numbers that just happen to serve their purpose!
That's where you're wrong kiddo !

The poll was conducted for them by Populus, a UK polling company. If any attempt had been made to massage or manipulate the figures, we would have heard about it. You just have to look at Populus's client list, including the British Army, to gauge their probity.

Nice try, but no cigar
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