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Old 10th Mar 2019, 10:57
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She won't be leaving anything. More likely she is concerned that she kicks the bucket in the middle of all this and dumps Charles with it all.
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 11:01
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An extension vote would not override the current law and exit date. The U.K. would still leave the EU at 11pm on the 29th. To change that date would require a change to the Act to go through the entire process of 3 readings and committee stage.

A vote of no confidence as defined by the Fixed Term Parliament Act must have specific wording, and be called for by the Leader of the Opposition.
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 11:10
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
She won't be leaving anything. More likely she is concerned that she kicks the bucket in the middle of all this and dumps Charles with it all.
Not what I was suggesting.
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 11:12
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I doubt that in practice. While it's reasonable to observe leavers like to rely on the complications of parliamentary process to make the case leaving is inevitable, which if you consider it, isn't a very persuasive argument at all, the UK's ambiguous constitution & moreover, given the supreme court ruled that article 50 could be triggered by a vote of parliament, it is quite likely the reverse would apply.

Far better to ask should we rather than can we? A fatalistic & questionable reliance on process that well lookee here now just happens to tally with an outlook is pretty weak tea.
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 11:28
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Agreed, Parapunter. But what does a delay achieve-whether you’re a leaver or remainer?
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 11:41
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Well remain have been trying unsuccessfully to use complications to scupper exit and the UK to not leave for the last two years. It's not leaves fault that all the victory's have actually with hind sight made no deal on the day more likely.

An extension for remain is only so they have more time to try and think of something or something changes which will prevent exit. Realistically it just does even more damage to the EU and the UK. But they really don't care.
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 11:45
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Not wishing to be unkind to a very devoted lady, but I rather suspect that the Queen will be glad to leave what has become of her Kingdom.
So what did you mean? Just curious.
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 11:50
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
Well remain have been trying unsuccessfully to use complications to scupper exit and the UK to not leave for the last two years. It's not leaves fault that all the victory's have actually with hind sight made no deal on the day more likely.

An extension for remain is only so they have more time to try and think of something or something changes which will prevent exit. Realistically it just does even more damage to the EU and the UK. But they really don't care.
Notwithstanding nothing damages the UK as much as leaving, all the significant events promulgated by what could be reasonably construed as remain supporters have been around forcing the government to have regard to parliament. So as ever, you have it 180 degrees out.
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 11:55
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The Queen is of course of German Ancestry and her Hubby is a danish Greek so they have their own personal EU anyway . I think the Queen fears that id she popped her presumably golden clogs Charles ( bit of a dangerous step with his name) might step in to the political arena .

I see that some pro Brexit MPS have said delay means disaster -well it means disaster for them but not for the country but when have they cared about that.

And a leading London Barrister and a Professor of LAw at Oxford have laid a notice infront of the courts to the effect that Theresa may and a number of ministers have committed misconduct in public office by contravening supreme court ruling as then lying about it. that wont be on the front page of the Daily Goebbels tomorrow I guess.

Going to be an interesting three weeks as a group of people with no interest in the country at all but only their own careers and their discredited parties

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Old 10th Mar 2019, 11:57
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Only in remains point of view and project fear.

This current fannying about is preventing both parties moving forward.
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 12:01
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
Notwithstanding nothing might damage the UK as much as leaving,
I know that preparations to leave have had a direct effect on the UK with finance diverted to stockpiling, to companies leaving or planning to leave, from a reduction in EU inward migration. Whether leaving will damage the UK, or to what extent, remains only a forecast.
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 12:02
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
So what did you mean? Just curious.
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 Not wishing to be unkind to a very devoted lady, but I rather suspect that the Queen will be glad to leave what has become of her Kingdom.
So what did you mean? Just curious.
Strangely enough, I meant exactly what I said. That she has seen what has become of her country and will be glad to leave it.
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 12:05
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Strangely enough, I meant exactly what I said. That she has seen what has become of her country and will be glad to leave it.
Bits of it (Scotland and NI) will be leaving her if #brexit goes ahead.
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 12:06
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
I know that preparations to leave have had a direct effect on the UK with finance diverted to stockpiling, to companies leaving or planning to leave, from a reduction in EU inward migration. Whether leaving will damage the UK, or to what extent, remains only a forecast.
A unanimous one. I challenge anyone to provide any credible assessment from any source at all, up to and including HMG, that shows any positive economic benefit from leaving. It's simply no longer credible to call it forecasts, project fear or any other epithet disparaging the notion we can prosper by leaving.
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 12:06
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
Bits of it (Scotland and NI) will be leaving her if #brexit goes ahead.
I'm sure that hasn't escaped her notice. Like I said, she's seen enough of the Disunited Kingdom.
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 12:06
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Leave it to go where?
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 13:17
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I reckon this thread and the numourous others around the internet will go down in history as the longest ever debates on something that never happened
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 13:51
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Just wait for the one in the unlikely event the UK does cancel and the other EU states want damage compensation for the last two years. Plus expenses for all the work that's been done by EU civil servants.

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Old 10th Mar 2019, 15:00
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
Just wait for the one in the unlikely event the UK does cancel and the other EU states want damage compensation for the last two years. Plus expenses for all the work that's been done by EU civil servants.
It would probably be less than£39 billion
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 16:30
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
Just wait for the one in the unlikely event the UK does cancel and the other EU states want damage compensation for the last two years. Plus expenses for all the work that's been done by EU civil servants.
You keep telling us they are desperate that we don’t leave. Surely they’ll be organising ticker tape parades in our honour in the unlikely event that this sh1tshow is cancelled.
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