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Old 8th Mar 2019, 06:48
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Labour calls for the EHRC to be scrapped after it starts an investigation into antisemitism in the party.........

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...s-human-rights
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Old 8th Mar 2019, 07:53
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph View Post


What do you make of the Attorney General’s comments on the matter (taken in the round) today? From the BBC News website:

“Geoffrey Cox said plans to solve the deadlock over the Irish backstop were "as clear as day", with just days until MPs vote on the Brexit deal.”
Weeks after May was compelled to return to the house bearing plan B, I just don't believe him. If brexiters are allowed to base their entire belief system on things that have not happened, I think I should be able to infer a view on the absence io outcome too. The only difference being an outcome is expected but not forthcoming. And I would add , the EU has already given Theresa May what she asked for. The UK is not fighting with the EU, it's fighting with itself.

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Old 8th Mar 2019, 08:00
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[QUOTE=Krystal n chips;10410096]Politicians are fond of cutting ribbons to declare venues, roads, eve railways are "now open "......sadly, cutting ribbons is unlikely to feature in Treezas diary....


Re: the cartoon linked
I realise that the paper and it's readers regard these cartoons as political satire, am I alone in feeling they are invariably far too childish and simplistic to deserve that description?
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Old 8th Mar 2019, 08:18
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Gouli, well argued, while there is a President his status entirely different from that of the United or Federated States. There the president is elected by the people who are largely homogenous groups.

In the EU the president is not elected and if he were there would be 27 disparate groups, many of whom distrust their neighbours.

A better working hypothesis is NATO with a unified command system albeit dominated by the one with the biggest wallet and UK as his Second. There are a few carefully constructed articles from which member members Stated may abstain.

Within the EU individual component States are free to use their army in the same way as the US NG.

Of course in the future that EU Army could be used internally, especially if individuals were not deployed in national cadres but in an homogenous force such as the US Army, the Red Army or the French Foreign Legion.

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Old 8th Mar 2019, 08:26
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Gouli, well argued, while there is a President his status entirely different from that of the United or Federated States. There the president is elected by the people who are largely homogenous groups.
Factually incorrect; the US President is elected using an electoral college, not the people. Last election the people's vote resulted in a win for Hillary Clinton; the electoral college, quite correctly under the rules one must add, voted in Trump. Democratic? No particularly.
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Old 8th Mar 2019, 08:33
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
.... The UK is not fighting with the EU, it's fighting with itself. ...

Yes, that much is very self evident.
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Old 8th Mar 2019, 08:44
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And it goes on...not just calling for scrapping of EHRC but Labour’s own farcical redress procedure -which in many cases required the victim to complain to the actual individuals who carried out the abuse.

And funny Krystsl should mention borders; no doubt protected by Macron’s new EU border-guards. I can see the delight of Hungarians at relying on a bunch of Frenchmen guarding their border deciding who to let in or not.
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Old 8th Mar 2019, 08:49
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[QUOTE=Hyperdark;10410154][QUOTE=Krystal n chips;10410096]Politicians are fond of cutting ribbons to declare venues, roads, eve railways are "now open "......sadly, cutting ribbons is unlikely to feature in Treezas diary....


Re: the cartoon linked
I realise that the paper and it's readers regard these cartoons as political satire, am I alone in feeling they are invariably far too childish and simplistic to deserve that description?[/QUOTE]

Nope, you will delighted to learn here on JB you are far from alone.....lots of the chums will be only too happy to add their moral support to your suggestion in fact, or indeed any form of adverse comment about the Grudian

There again, satire isn't generally understood by the same collective anyway......

Seems to depict Treeza perfectly actually...

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Old 8th Mar 2019, 09:37
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Why is Theresa May wasting valuable time in trotting off to Grimsby to indulge in megaphone diplomacy today? The EU's position is abundantly clear and won't change; that is that they and the UK's democratically elected Prime Minister concluded the exit agreement and it is for the UK parliament to agree it, or not. it is up to the UK to put forward workable proposals that don't change that agreement, and thanks to the procrastination of Theresa May and her government she's left herself scant time to put something workable forward. Hectoring the EU from Grimsby won't help her case - but probably will play well the the ERG, DUP and the usual suspects in the print media.
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Old 8th Mar 2019, 09:53
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One can only conclude she's setting up the blame game for domestic consumption. Bizarre strategy all the same. Hard to imagine the EU softening by being shouted at from afar, hard to imagine remainers swallowing it since they blame her for this mess, hard to imagine leavers swallowing it since they blame Her & the EU for this mess. Three years on nearly & she ends this as she started it, making no headway at home or abroad, deploying rank misjudgment, wrapped in cant, having learnt nothing.
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Old 8th Mar 2019, 09:57
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Re this European President: Which one?
President of the European Parliament Antonio Tajani
President of the European Council Donald Tusk
President of the European Commission Jean Claude Juncker
President of the Council of the European Union Currently Romania
The Americans are lucky, they have only one to concern them at any one time.
And don't let's mention the Presidents of the Court of Justice, the European Central Bank.
There is a song in Liverpool which has the line "And if you want a cathedral, we've got one to spare". Trust the Europeans to trump that!
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Old 8th Mar 2019, 10:02
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Originally Posted by Buster15 View Post
If we have a European Army and Air Force why are we still paying for NATO. Maybe we can reduce our funding for NATO.
No different to the present situation when we pay for individual forces as well as NATO. In fact, closer integration should bring costs down and allow for better and more coordinated equipment.

Now the USA gets fed up of paying so much for NATO when the European countries reduce their payment.
Based on your own false premise, see above.

All the time Putin watches and rubs his hands together and continues his planning.
Now you have it right. Putin doesn't want a united European defence force, or a united European anything. He prefers divide and conquer. That's why Russian money was available for the Brexit campaign.
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Old 8th Mar 2019, 10:16
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Originally Posted by Hussar 54 View Post


And the idiots in Brussels and Paris and Berlin think that Putin isn't p*ssing himself with laughter while he's watching and planning and waiting.....
Mostly thanks to the useful idiots sold a pack of lies & manipulated by Russian money & troll farms in a massively flawed democratic exercise leading directly to a serious player in Europe becoming separated from the institutions shaping it's future. So yes, I just bet Vlad is pissing himself laughing.
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Old 8th Mar 2019, 10:21
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That's it parapunter!

You have now made it obvious that you are the natural leader of this fear-factor forum. We must be thankful that you and your likes were not around in 1939.
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Old 8th Mar 2019, 10:29
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Originally Posted by jindabyne View Post
That's it parapunter!

You have now made it obvious that you are the natural leader of this fear-factor forum. We must be thankful that you and your likes were not around in 1939.
Ah the war, what a surprise to see that exhumed again.

What would it actually take for the automata Brexiteers to acknowledge that 'Project Fear' might conceivably be 'Project Justified Anxiety About Imminent Olympic-class, Ocean-going National cock-up? Has everything in the news this past six months escaped your notice? Actually, don't answer that, I've no interest in interacting with someone so stuck in the imperial past that the present is an insurmountable challenge, never mind the future.
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Old 8th Mar 2019, 11:04
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Originally Posted by jindabyne View Post
That's it parapunter!

You have now made it obvious that you are the natural leader of this fear-factor forum. We must be thankful that you and your likes were not around in 1939.

I'm happy to debate with Sally, with Gertrude, with ATN, especially with K&C for years now, and almost everyone else..

However....The member you mention is quite firmly on my Ignore List, because life's too short to be insulted and lectured at because I don't share his opinion on this very specific subject.

Who knows, as they used to say about George W Bush - a great guy to have a beer with, but not fit to run the bar where you're drinking it. It's perhaps the same with this member - he and I might be in total agreement on 99.9% of the rest of life, but it's the other 0.1% which would make it intolerable if his attitude on here is anything to go by

Just try putting him on your Ignore List and you might find the World's a much better place.

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Old 8th Mar 2019, 11:16
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
One can only conclude she's setting up the blame game for domestic consumption. Bizarre strategy all the same. Hard to imagine the EU softening by being shouted at from afar, hard to imagine remainers swallowing it since they blame her for this mess, hard to imagine leavers swallowing it since they blame Her & the EU for this mess. Three years on nearly & she ends this as she started it, making no headway at home or abroad, deploying rank misjudgment, wrapped in cant, having learnt nothing.
Pretty fair assessment of her strategy. I'm afraid that although engaged remainers will see through it straight away, leavers may be more forgiving of her position, and your average Joe who just what the whole thing over with will be a deal more gullible - if you buy the Mail, Express, Telegraph or Sun you've pretty much bought into the mindset that all foreigners are out to get us and in this case the EU are out to punish us. Neither of which is in any way a fair assessment of the facts.

Given that she's going to come back to the Commons on Tuesday wearing little more than a political fig leaf, and her plan will again be voted down I feel that we are going to wind up, either this month, or in June with a very stark choice which the MPs will have to make. Either leave with no deal, or remain - they will have to decide, or abdicate their responsibilities to the public in another referendum. The time for sitting on the fence and can kicking is up.

If I were them I'd try for a new referendum on her deal or remain and I've absolutely no idea how that vote would go. I certainly wouldn't put any money on remain.
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Old 8th Mar 2019, 11:17
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
Why is Theresa May wasting valuable time in trotting off to Grimsby to indulge in megaphone diplomacy today?
Indeed, they had the chance to talk to the people two years ago and largely blew it. Talking now had a waste of oxygen and CO2.
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Old 8th Mar 2019, 11:23
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
Factually incorrect; the US President is elected using an electoral college, not the people. Last election the people's vote resulted in a win for Hillary Clinton; the electoral college, quite correctly under the rules one must add, voted in Trump. Democratic? No particularly.
In absolute numbers that is true and no different from UK constituency first past the post. The electoral college general votes the way the people in that State voted.
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Old 8th Mar 2019, 11:28
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
In absolute numbers that is true and no different from UK constituency first past the post. The electoral college general votes the way the people in that State voted.
Slightly different, but granted much the same, and the UK system is flawed for similar reasons; as has been round the hamster wheel several times.
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