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Old 24th Feb 2019, 07:35
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
Screws pretty much everyone else as well.

With UK gone France and Germany hold 34% of the votes in majority voting. All they need is Italy, Spain or Poland and they can force through whatever they want and screw the other members.
No difference to the Referendum, where a narrow majority screwed the rest of us.
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Old 24th Feb 2019, 07:38
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Apart from the repetition of remain, much of what Tesco said is true and can be seen on these pages.
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Also cobblers. Repeating evidence free fantasy scenarios, he runs away under any challenge or doubles down with the same mantras. You can choose your friends, you're choosing one who confirms your own biases.
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Old 24th Feb 2019, 08:01
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Desperate times, desperate measure.....what better way to generate some extra income for the UK economy than this......

Having said that, the DWP have long since established their Dept as being prominent in persecution to extort revenue, allied to their capacity to produce fallacies as justification in lieu of facts........so HMRC have slipped up a bit here.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47343828
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Old 24th Feb 2019, 08:07
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
Also cobblers.
Et tu.

A second referendum is also fantasy. Now that Brexit is practically a done no deal we shall be raking through the ashes ad nauseum.

What is your view on the Euro? Let us have an opinion rather than a critique.

And please, do not keep trying to impose your views on my politics as you are consistently wrong.
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Old 24th Feb 2019, 08:14
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Now though I admit my time for digging out a patio is long gone. Rather have the job done in half the time.
I turn my hand at pretty much most things. Always stayed clear of writing manuals if I could, and when I had too they always provided someone to fix the English afterwards. What I could do though is do extremely good diagrams and I was more attuned to the end users mental process so my manuals ended up half the size and were actually useful.

You don't need to do the grunt work yourself, although I will do most of it. I know the dangers of doing it. I have to protect myself and continue working in my well paid job. So I pick and choose what I do myself. Taking the asbestos sheets off the old roof working at height on a rickety rotten roof. No thanks will stay well clear of that and pay someone to do it. Putting in fresh wood and locating the frames putting batons down and putting the sheeting in on a new strong roof which I know will support my lardy arse, yep I will do that and enjoy doing it.

The thing is you know what the process is of making a patio, you know the materials required, you know what works and what will give a nice looking job initially and then go to poo within a couple of years. You will plan the project to work. The fact you have sat with a cup of tea inside and monitoring a couple of grunts with shovels and a load of slabs working. It won't stop you saying hey why you only using 1 bag of cement for 10 bags of sand. Why you using course fill sand with cement with your under nourished cement mix. 1 bag of cement and 5 bags of fine builders sand thankyou very much for the final layer and run it through a mixer as well before you put the grading on it. What you mean you weren't going to bother putting a gradient on the sand level to ensure good water runoff before the plates were put in? And you haven't put a soak away ditch round the edges?

You will end up with a nice patio that will outlast you. Might cost a bit more than the clueless will pay. But then again your less likely to have to rip it out and have to do it all again in 5 years time when the standing water has cracked the plates, plates have started to subside to the point your tripping on the uneven surface due to the grading course under them being malnourished and the cement grouting being crap.

Flying aircraft is what I always wanted to do. And it took me 10 years working as an Engineer to get the cash together to get trained up. If I had been a sparkie or plumber I reckon it would have taken a lot shorter time.

An Engineer having a good solid base of what the people who are actually going to do the job helps matters immensely. Most of us that are willing to give it go(except the people who came up the apprentice route via HND) will be slower, give a less tidy job and more than likely waste more materials. But compared to being ripped off as the clueless are its buttons. Another huge benefit is that you can do things in your own time scales and not have to fanny around waiting for someone else to turn up and do the job when they want to.

Don't worry one of the things I know my limit on is plastering. I really can't do that to save my life. I have tried a few times. And I hate painting with a passion so on purpose will always do a rubbish job at that so I won't be nagged to paint things. Specifying the paint and the application process for corrosion prevention and wx proofing etc not a problem. Applying the bloody stuff no chance.

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Old 24th Feb 2019, 08:44
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Define poorly educated.....

Crap at English but tertiary educated in Engineering straights A's through school in science subjects , maths etc. ?

If the right to vote centred round English skills then you might get what you wish with a bias towards your views.

But to be really educated you also require maths and sciences in the mix.

If that was also a requirement I suspect it would have completely the opposite effect to what you want. Bit like most of the victory's that remain supports have obtained in the last 2 years.
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Old 24th Feb 2019, 09:47
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Tesco, interesting analysis. I was talking with a retired headmaster about some simple DIY job, "Would Mrs X get the gardener to teach her son Latin? I wouldn't do the work of a tradesman".

Now in my career, 40,000 feet up, or thousands of miles from home, the common joke " not me chief, I'm airframes " didn't apply. You turned your hand to anything.

Now though I admit my time for digging out a patio is long gone. Rather have the job done in half the time.
But would you ask the man who digs your patio to do your tax return? Because this is effectively what we are saying, that it's ok to ask those whose command and understanding of language, to put it kindly falls somewhat short of the level required to pass a basic English exam such as the old GCSE, to make decisions on complex economic issues. Without wishing to be rude to His Tesconess he has clearly gone out of his way to avoid any kind of education in the English language.

We are not talking about the odd misplaced comma or missing letter here but the continued employment of incorrect words that effectively changes the meaning of the message that he is trying to convey. What this tells me is that he has deliberately avoided learning the differences between loose and lose, there and their and many other basic building blocks of the language that presumably as a Brexiteer he should regard as sacrosanct. I just find it odd and perverse that somebody should steadfastly refuse to learn these things to help support his position in argument.
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Old 24th Feb 2019, 10:01
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has clearly gone out of his way to avoid any kind of education in the English language
No far from it, was in extra remedial class for it at school until the age of 17 when I scraped a pass after failing it the first time and then went off to Uni. I could have just gone sod it and started a vocational course.

Being dyslexic doesn't help mind.

But strangely the equivalent spelling or grammar of mathematics and physical thing's is instinctive and exact, and a sheet of data for example: a load sheet, any errors jump out and are glaringly obvious which has avoided shall we say complications more than a few times over the years.

Still it doesn't matter what level of English I have or use or arguments its not going to change the opinion of remainers. So I will stick to saving 6k putting a new roof on. Lord only knows how much I have saved over the years not being screwed over by tradesmen and garages and the like by only having a clue about the physical analogue/digital world and being crap at languages.

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Old 24th Feb 2019, 10:31
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EM, I know what you mean but becoming a wordsmith takes time. At work I had the opportunity to write and bosses that would mentor me. I then did a two year course with written assignments and as much critique on the minutia as the content.

If you are in a job that does not require such discipline then it is inevitable that mistakes will occur.

It is also worth remembering that some of us use mobile devices rather than conventional keyboards and suffer varying predictive text assaults on what we actually typed.
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Old 24th Feb 2019, 10:42
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Being dyslexic doesn't help mind "

That's interesting to learn, seriously, because I've worked with, and helped support / identify those who are dyslexic.

What is / was your coping strategy please ?....and I'm not taking the proverbial here because I don't mock anybody with a disability or SPLD. ....
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Old 24th Feb 2019, 11:09
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
So, as a patriot who wants the best for the Uk & not some cheap rhetorical question merchant, what's the solution? Oh and please link one piece of leave literature that promised to crash us out, impoverishing us en route. I can wait.
Sorry for the wait.
I did not see any literature that promised not to crash us out so obviously I voted remain.
Many here do not appear to realise how difficult things will get without cooperation with the EU.
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Old 24th Feb 2019, 11:13
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I wish people who make obtuse comments on other's posts would identify the poster whom they are criticising.

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Old 24th Feb 2019, 11:29
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Written I need to walk away and leave it for a period before re reading and correcting, then it seems to turn it into somebody else's work and I can pick out more mistakes but that doesn't completely solve the problem. I tend to flip flop between sections so write one section then go back and correct a previous one, maybe two sections back and then start a new section and repeat.

bed scribbled somewhere nearby on a bit of paper so my b's and d's don't get muddled up when hand writing.

Cheque books used to have the numbers written on the rear page.

Reading something that's new to me and written by someone else, passive tense and logical isn't a problem for me. eg QRH, manuals etc. read it once, understand the factual content and reasons for it instinctively. I seem to actually handle QRH checklists better than the normal pilots who seem to think about how its is written more than what's been said and get themselves into a mix, sometimes heading off down the infamous engine shut down route instead of killing a bus tie and loosing the galley for the rest of the flight.

I skim read missing out the grammar and link words mostly, but lift the keywords. Most Engineering documentation and aviation manuals are written with the view of none native speakers reading them so grammatical complications don't surface, they have learned years ago to not use comma separated lists but to use "and" or "or" instead so you don't have to get into the technicality's of oxford commas and the like.

Tactical editing of computer dictionary's to remove similar words keeping the most used ones eg I will delete form because a spell check will then highlight when I have used it instead of from. I suspect that's why I keep getting lose and loose wrong in the forum posts.

I do read quiet a bit, just don't write much, reading is relaxing and I enjoy it. Writing is a pain in the backside and bloody hard work especially if there is a deadline involved.
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Old 24th Feb 2019, 11:31
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
I wish people who make obtuse comments on other's posts would identify the poster whom they are criticising.

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Like for example asking someone to engage constructively then ending the post with 'you're consistently wrong'. That kind of obtuseness?
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Old 24th Feb 2019, 11:36
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Many here do not appear to realise how difficult things will get without cooperation with the EU.
I know we get a huge amount of goods from China and had a browse online - interesting.

It seems at Tilbury the London Container Terminal is the largest in Europe for refrigerated containers.

However I thought Europort might be significant too and found:

Are you importing or exporting goods from China to the UK? Shipping your containers via the port of Rotterdam can help you save time and money. The port of Rotterdam offers more than sixty weekly short sea, feeder and RoRo services to the United Kingdom that link up well with a large number of deep sea services from Asia

So we can see that separating sea trade is not going to be simple either.

I then found a website showing how much fresh fruit we import. Top importer is Spain at 16% and the rest of Europe adds a further 13%. For vegetables 85% is from Europe with Spain 33%, Netherlands 28% and France 10%. The biggest loser will clearly be Spain if there is break in trade.

https://www.freshplaza.com/article/2...ted-countries/
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Old 24th Feb 2019, 11:47
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Spain I suspect is going to go bang big time quiet quickly once the UK is out. Tourists numbers and cash down and a huge export market hammered by tariffs and supply issues.

With sixty vessels going across the channel I wonder how much of that the VAT was collected in NL and the import tariffs from the likes of China etc.

Well that's something else that we will have to wait to find out because nobody knows or if they do it deem it a state EU secret which is excluded from mention in any EU statistics sites.
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Old 24th Feb 2019, 12:16
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Spain I suspect is going to go bang big time quiet quickly once the UK is out. Tourists numbers and cash down and a huge export market hammered by tariffs and supply issues.
Is it some form of OCD that makes you repeat this claim on a loop? Every two weeks or so, out it comes. Spain is knackered, the EU will fold, we're leaving in 36 days, nothing said here will change anything. It's like being stuck in a lift with a four song muzak loop going round & round endlessly.

Spanish tourism increased 9.7% last year. Literally nothing you ever spout stands even the most cursory scrutiny.

https://tradingeconomics.com/spain/tourist-arrivals

https://elpais.com/elpais/2018/12/26...76_474634.html

https://elpais.com/elpais/2018/12/17...01_439896.html



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Old 24th Feb 2019, 12:23
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Last year, what on earth has that got to do with this year when project fear has been telling people that they might need a visa and/or the airlines are going to have to stop flying after the 29th of March?

I suspect another huge own goal by remain and the Eu is currently in play and its going to happen what ever happens in a few weeks time.

Actually that first link backs up what I have been saying if you look at the related articles, thanks for sharing it.
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Old 24th Feb 2019, 12:27
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Riiiight. So now you believe project fear. So craven it's unbelievable.
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Old 24th Feb 2019, 12:29
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It is interesting to read how the German automotive industry is in trouble. Much of their problems are self-inflicted with VW the main culprit with their emissions scandal. The effect is a major drop in diesel engine sales especially in Asia and the banning of many diesels from European city centres.

Now they are well behind US and Asia in electric car manufacturing. I read that French and German Governments are to pour billions in battery production. The UK is to pour in 246 millions for our battery development.
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