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Old 19th Feb 2019, 11:27
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The rumour mill of business is as turgid and manipulated as that of any crew room after a nice long weekend away in Ruritania. For that reason only, pay little attention to stories you hear. Remainers will be devastated to learn that this morning, Honda has specifically denied that the plant closure in question has anything to do with Brexit. Of course, Remainers, in their psychological entwinement with a referendum they lost, will be hard pushed to understand that, galsctically at any rate, some things don’t have anything to do with their great Shibboleth.
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 11:31
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We can probably buy the old scrap Ambassador car line from India and make the old Morris Oxford / Cambridge. We could really get back into this nostalgia lark of the 1950/60,s and maybe get some more steam trains, and lets open some pits up as well. The empire strikes back !

It must be a very weird world some of the contributor's on here live in. It certainly is not the world I work all over, or recognise, so I think there is going to be a tough decade or maybe two coming to the UK Plc unless some one actually cries halt to this stupidity.

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Old 19th Feb 2019, 11:32
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
Don’t confuse hatred with contempt. ...
Please tone down language here. If cavorting holds someone in contempt, it does not mean that he 'hates' them. If your feelings are a bit extreme please do not transfer those onto what others are saying. People like cavorting, and others of all political 'shades', often post well thought-out posts but get extreme and ill-thought-out knee-jerk reactions implying twaddle like 'hate'. Stop it and become more reasonable. This Thread is getting rather like a certain UK political party where 'dissent' is bullied out by volume of posts rather than thoughtful posts. (What is the saying? "An empty can makes the most noise".) Maybe seven of the reasonable posters here need to start a break-away "UK Politics Hamsterwheel Independent Group"? This one is becoming so predictably boring.
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 11:42
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Precisely so. It is as though one were to say, by means of expansion, thus; the only man I ever hated died last year and now I view his memory with contempt.
I hope that makes the thing lucidly pellucid.
I always thought that breathers beieved that Brexit would restore an independent justice system, control over immigration and freedom to trade wherever the country would benefit the most.
it seems to have all descended into motor cars and holiday homes. Still, that’s such a time honoured tradition in the UK, a man and woman, beside their caravan drinking tea in the rain whilst he, wearing a kilt, reads a newspaper.
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 11:51
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
Remainers will be devastated to learn that this morning, Honda has specifically denied that the plant closure in question has anything to do with Brexit. Of course, Remainers, in their psychological entwinement with a referendum they lost, will be hard pushed to understand that, galsctically at any rate, some things don’t have anything to do with their great Shibboleth.
Yuh. galsctically gutted.


A few thoughts you might* not have entertained in this sorry saga. Firstly, this is people's livelihoods disappearing. Now, you give the distinct impression of being a retired I'm alright Jack kind of a guy, so while all of this is a bit of a lark on the internet for you & your burn the world pals, it's unedifying to put it kindly that your initial reaction is to find partisan glee in the spectacle of thousands of hard working men & women heading for the dole queues.

Honda's UK plant has operated at something like 50% of it's capacity for years. They hold less than 1% of the UK market, the cars are at best a mixed bag & it has been an obvious candidate for closure for a good while. To their credit, they've tried lots of things to keep it going, including exporting finished cars to the US where they have a much healthier business. I also understand culturally, they are averse to losing people and insofar as they are able, will try to turn things around.

So, you then have to question the timing. Ian Howells did indeed deny a Brexit link on R4 this morning. Daniel Hannan also denied Honda, Nissan or any other Japanese car maker would leave after Brexit so you can pick & choose who to believe in this life. I would suspect Honda have a vested interest in selling cars in the UK post Brexit & that may well play into the messages put out for public consumption. Or it may not, only they know.

It's also a matter of fact that the UK pushed pre referendum for a fast reduction of EU auto tariffs in the EU/JAP FTA negotiations, for which there is/was a compelling logic - if you were, for example, a member of the EU & therefore the single market & customs union AND were host to several Japanese car makers who would, so the thinking went, be aided by low/zero tariff access to a market of 450 million people. This is a pretty good example of a lack of forethought on the part of successive governments. An EU ref was never not a possibility in the past decade & tariff free access to the EU meant that in the event of Brexit, the Japanese could just push off home & enjoy the same benefits as if they stayed in the UK, were for example, something monumentally stupid to happen here.

So, the timing then. Brexit we can see won't stop the car makers accessing the EU cheaply. What it will do is raise the cost of parts, sub assemblies, logistics and simultaneously reduce your cheap access to Europe from the UK. If you have a marginal operation & all of this looms on the horizon around the same time you have decide where to sink billions of Yen on the next generation of products, then it's an obvious decision to take.

And it's a shame. It won't ever come back & we'll see thousands unemployed, countless skills & trades lost & one more revolution of the ever decreasing circle that crowing morons just can't help themselves proclaiming daily.




*Definitely won't.

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Old 19th Feb 2019, 11:51
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
Being German and living in France is about driving Swedish and Japanese cars with Arabic petrol from American petroleum company, to a British pub for a Dutch beer, then travelling home on French run train or bus, grabbing an American burger or a Moroccan kebab on the way, to sit on Italian furniture and watch Brazilian shows on a Korean TV powered by electricity from a French company whilst complaining to your wife about "those nasty controlling foreigners in the EU who control this and how we would like to take back control from them"
More or less the same thing wherever you are - that's Globalisation....

Unlike the UK, at least here the infrastructure parts used in and for daily life are still under French ownership....



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Old 19th Feb 2019, 12:00
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
Please tone down language here. If cavorting holds someone in contempt, it does not mean that he 'hates' them. If your feelings are a bit extreme please do not transfer those onto what others are saying. People like cavorting, and others of all political 'shades', often post well thought-out posts but get extreme and ill-thought-out knee-jerk reactions implying twaddle like 'hate'. Stop it and become more reasonable. This Thread is getting rather like a certain UK political party where 'dissent' is bullied out by volume of posts rather than thoughtful posts. (What is the saying? "An empty can makes the most noise".) Maybe seven of the reasonable posters here need to start a break-away "UK Politics Hamsterwheel Independent Group"? This one is becoming so predictably boring.
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You are looking from your own little hill. You and cheetah have no lessons to teach others here.

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Old 19th Feb 2019, 12:08
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Originally Posted by Hussar 54 View Post
More or less the same thing wherever you are - that's Globalisation....

Unlike the UK, at least here the infrastructure parts used in and for daily life are still under French ownership....
That’s disgraceful, I thought the EU interfered with sovereignty and national decision making and made that sort of thing illegal..

BTW it looks like we were (briefly) over in your part of the world last week on a “collecting stuff for major DIY”mission..very nice but the roads were a bit busy for my taste...
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 12:21
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DIT ??

Haven't been out of the house for almost five weeks now as I'm still recuperating from my lung cancer surgery at New Year, and still a bit like ' The Boy in the Bubble ' for another couple of weeks rying to avoid infections but ,Yes. Frau H says the roads were much more busy than usual the past few weeks, just no idea why because it wasn't even good enough weather to attract ' Les Parigots, Tetes de Veaux ' down to the family villas for the School Holidays.
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 12:33
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
Please tone down language here. If cavorting holds someone in contempt, it does not mean that he 'hates' them. If your feelings are a bit extreme please do not transfer those onto what others are saying. People like cavorting, and others of all political 'shades', often post well thought-out posts but get extreme and ill-thought-out knee-jerk reactions implying twaddle like 'hate'. Stop it and become more reasonable. This Thread is getting rather like a certain UK political party where 'dissent' is bullied out by volume of posts rather than thoughtful posts. (What is the saying? "An empty can makes the most noise".) Maybe seven of the reasonable posters here need to start a break-away "UK Politics Hamsterwheel Independent Group"? This one is becoming so predictably boring.
Ah, I see belatedly this is for my benefit. Good of you to look back through the thread in a jolly decent attempt to stamp your authority on it. Whence that authority derives is unclear nonetheless, you're having a go, good for you. Now, will you, in your self appointed role of thread cop, be pulling Harley Quinn anytime soon for quoting the word 'nonce' & applying it to my user name? He doesn't seem so keen to answer for that delightful post himself, so it clearly needs a hard bitten law man like yourself to take the matter in hand.
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 12:36
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Darn,you spotted my finger trouble and got in before my edit....it should have been the short hand for Bricolage....

Sorry to hear you are poorly, hope you are back on your feet soon..

Rgds

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Old 19th Feb 2019, 13:05
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Originally Posted by Hussar 54 View Post

Unlike the UK, at least here the infrastructure parts used in and for daily life are still under French ownership....
No, just like the UK.
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 13:28
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Thank You....

Start chemo in a few weeks time then it's fingers crossed that everything will be OK....

Entirely my own fault - can't smoke 20 a day for 50 years and not bugger up your lungs eventually.
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 13:46
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Those who see a resurgent Britain exporting to the world after Brexit will I am sure see the Honda move as a good thing.
The government can buy the Swindon site and factory at knock-down prices, and establish a new British car manufacturer to compete with the best in the world. And when Nissan leaves in a few years we will be well placed to take over their factory too and expand production.

No doubt you Brexiteers will lobbying the government, and queuing up to invest your pension funds in shares. Come on chaps, take back control of the motor industry!
Although I realise that piece is tongue in cheek there is more than a grain of truth in it. Throughout the 90's I sold loads of cars such as the Vauxhall Cavalier. Looking back what strikes me is how infrequently they went wrong. My own 2 litre CD version did 45+ mpg and was quick and comfortable. Over the past 25 years all that has happened is the addition of hordes of gizmos, most of which quickly go wrong. Whilst Jezza Clarkson would no doubt be unimpressed for most people these nineties cars were more than adequate.
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 15:48
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Why tongue in cheek?
If people have confidence in Britain's future, why not invest in opportunities like this? A ready-made car factory just waiting to build British cars! Come on you Brexiters. Get on with it!
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 16:44
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What exactly’s your point sallyann? There are lots of cars being made here. Lots of cars will still be made post Brexit. Although the Jspan-EU trade deal makes it unlikely we’ll see future Japanese car factories built in the E.U. Whst would be the point?
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 16:49
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I’ve had, in the way of British cars, an MGB, a Jaguar 420! Two Bentleys, an MGC, an AC428 and three Land Rovers (real ones).
The Jaguar was a super car. The test were more or less badly put together,impossible to source spares from the manufacturer, had no back up and were fabulous fun. I wouldn’t buy a car again though that was made and spared in the UK and that’s without going into details of how long you have to wait for an MG axle when the factory is on yet another strike. God bless the British motor industry but for me it’s had its best day and it’s last.
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 17:39
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What exactly’s your point sallyann? There are lots of cars being made here. Lots of cars will still be made post Brexit. Although the Jspan-EU trade deal makes it unlikely we’ll see future Japanese car factories built in the E.U. Whst would be the point?
I should have thought the point was obvious. As you say the Japanese will not be here much longer, so there will be ready-made car factories standing idle and skilled workers unemployed.
We are told that countries around the world are queuing up to have trading agreements with us, so the markets are ready and waiting. Isn't this what Brexit is all about?
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 17:46
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Indeed, you’ll buy their cars and they’ll buy your whisky.
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 17:53
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The point isn’t obvious since Brexit or Brexin Japanese cars can enter EU with minimal or no tariffs. And why should Brexiteers suddenly want to take up car making?

Honestly. I actually agree with some of your underlying point but this nonsense damages your case
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