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Old 18th Feb 2019, 12:02
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Someone on Radio 5 has just made the following point; those that voted remain say we should stay in the EU to change it from within.
Yet these 7 remainers are leaving because they say they can't change the Labour Party from within.
Sounds familiar.
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 12:05
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They’ve gone: seven Labour MP’s inc Chuka. Well done for finding some backbone.
If they've really got backbone, they'll resign their seats and stand for re-election.
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 12:10
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Parapunter.
i think most of that post of yours was a non sequitur. Anyway, be that as it my, it amused me mightily to hear Nick Clegg classed, as I have long thought him to be, as a gangster. The fact that his wife accepted a directorship of Spanish multi national Acciona, offered a few days after Clegg signed up with Cameron, just further inscribed the glittering gangsterdom of Britain’s then most hypocritical political family.
The whys and wherefore are unimportant. Clegg is a gangster. Will El Trumpo throw him out? Perhaps he’d try to skulk back into British political life as the leader of the Independent Group? You read it here first.
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 12:13
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Originally Posted by Andy_S View Post
If they've really got backbone, they'll resign their seats and stand for re-election.
Forgive my laziness - to save me trawling the archives could you give me a link to your statement on this each time a sitting MP defected to UKIP?
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 12:28
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
Parapunter.
i think most of that post of yours was a non sequitur.
That's only so if you haven't understood what was said. Irrational hatred for Clegg is a matter for you & I care not a jot, nevertheless, you are, as a leaver, a direct beneficiary of various nefarious goings on the DCMS is reporting on today with a view to legislating against. Seems to me, that key part of this has passed you by. Hence cheering on a report that were it legislation three years ago would have made a significant difference to the way the referendum was conducted. Ignorance, I'm told is bliss but I have no desire to find out for myself.
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 12:52
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Originally Posted by The Nip View Post
Someone on Radio 5 has just made the following point; those that voted remain say we should stay in the EU to change it from within.
Yet these 7 remainers are leaving because they say they can't change the Labour Party from within.
Sounds familiar.
The difference is these seven are leaving to form a new alternative leftish party.
In spite of the fervent desires of some here, I don't see any other EU countries leaving to join the UK in an alternative Union.
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 12:55
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Originally Posted by Curious Pax View Post


Forgive my laziness - to save me trawling the archives could you give me a link to your statement on this each time a sitting MP defected to UKIP?
I'm not sure what your point is.

I don't, and never have, supported UKIP.

I do, as a matter of general principle, believe that any sitting MP who changes their party allegiance should resign and stand for re-election. That holds true whatever the colour of their rosette.

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Old 18th Feb 2019, 13:02
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Drat ! it's those dashed trade deals again....and the unabashed arrogance of those involved in the negotiations ..fancy not just letting the UK get what we demand there and then !

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ox-jeremy-hunt
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 13:11
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Originally Posted by Andy_S View Post
If they've really got backbone, they'll resign their seats and stand for re-election.
​​​​​​ Corbyn would love that. The hardliners would turn the by elections into a circus. Replace them with Corbynistas and the Communist sorry Labour party would be one step closer to taking over.

Wouldn't it be deeply ironic? A no deal Brexit causing the downfall of the Tories only to be replaced a hard left regime intent on aligning with all the other rogue states. With all the right wingers fleeing Britain to... well not Europe.
Be careful what you vote for Brexiteers.!!!!!
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 13:11
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Don’t confuse hatred with contempt. Neither should you misapprehend the motives of those who favour Brexit. There’s a Europe involved in Brexit and there are many who have no love for the evil empire it has become with its twin towers at Berlaymont and Lille. There are too, although I am not one, many Europeans who long for Brexit, if only to be rid of Britain once and for all. It’s not the centre of the universe after all. That honour is left to the Chinese Empire.
I wonder though, in a blissfully ignorant way of course, just for how long Clegg will be content to remain tarred as a digital gangster, not as long, I’ll be bound, as the Louise Mensch woman will remain in New York.
The reference to what might have been in the operation of a referendum had a piece of legisltion that might have dealt with it and produced a different result through means of the application of that new but not yet applied method of running a referendum, that’s, well, a non sequitur of some importance.
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 13:15
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Drat ! it's those dashed trade deals again....and the unabashed arrogance of those involved in the negotiations ..fancy not just letting the UK get what we demand there and then !

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ox-jeremy-hunt
Wait until they try the same tactics on the former colonies and find the shoe is on the other foot.

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Old 18th Feb 2019, 13:19
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post

I wonder though, in a blissfully ignorant way of course, just for how long Clegg will be content to remain tarred as a digital gangster, not as long, I’ll be bound, as the Louise Mensch woman will remain in New York.
If I understand this correctly, he might not be allowed to choose the length of his stay - someone else might be deciding that for him....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Deputy-PM.html


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Old 18th Feb 2019, 13:26
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
Don’t confuse hatred with contempt.


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evil empire
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Gee, Mister, I'll sure try but you don't make it easy for a feller now do you?


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The reference to what might have been in the operation of a referendum had a piece of legisltion that might have dealt with it and produced a different result through means of the application of that new but not yet applied method of running a referendum, that’s, well, a non sequitur of some importance.
Flowery prolixity does not alter what we know. The referendum was won by a razor's edge of a majority with relentless targeting of social media by various actors, including but not limited to the Russians & acres of unknown funding all in support of the leave vote. The DCMS report shows this, you, a quitter cheered it ergo the non sequitur is all yours.
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 13:33
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Well now. So much control.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47282603
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 13:54
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No. That's just more BBC Project Fear
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 14:04
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My bet is taking into account all the tier one & two suppliers & all the rest of it, this will be 30,000 jobs gone all in.

It’s nothing to do with Brexit
It’s overcapacity
It’s China
It’s diesel engines
It's global pressure
It’s Remainers not believing enough
The dog ate my homework

Must be exhausting to continue denying the catastrophe unfolding, rather than admit you were wrong.
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 14:04
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Another day another closure, Honda shuts its Swindon plant -seems our relationship with japan upon which many 'we will strike our own trade deals' were based seems to be at an all time low. Perhaps they feel that we betrayed them over the Eu in the first place.

And with Chancellor Hammond having his trip to Beijing cancelled by the Chinese suggests they are not exactly champing at the bit to 'strike' a trade deal with us unless it is on their terms. these of course will be a 21st century version of that which ended the opium wars only this time we get shafted and humiliated.

then their is calibre and personal integrity of the few leading quitters who are rich business men , Dyson leave the EU but I have moved all my manufacturing and therefore jiobs to Malaysia oh and I will now move my corporate HQ to Singapore. And the Uks richest man it seems-according to reliable papers FT Times another quitter is himself quitting the UK for calmer climes, calmer no doubt in terms of tax and avoidance of chaos post Brexit. What wonderful respectable people these men are.

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Old 18th Feb 2019, 14:10
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Parapunter, I suppose you’re right really. Evil empire on its own leaves too much for the imagination. I should have clarified matter and said either, vile evil empire, had I been in a hating mood or contemptible evil empire, in a contemptuous one.
As for the events of 2016 and preceding the date of the referendum of that year, those really are now if no great relevance today being nothing other than historic events and consequences which, although being of great moment in their time, now count for naught as man moves on with the history of his world.
In a mood of rather less persiflage, isn’t an ability to look to a future with bright optimism one of the attributes that brexiteers possess while remoaners do not? It’s an historic anomaly, of which there are just so many lying about, that those who are both patriots and pragmatists are of the useful sort of citizen whilst those who till the fields and tend the sheep are of the more useful sort of idiots.

There, I’ve finally used the generalised word idiot in a post. This has been used neither with hatred nor contempt but rather in a manner more lachrimous than any other.
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 14:12
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Meanwhile also

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/b...ence-s8pd8vslj

but I guess that doesn't make for satisfying bad news.
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 14:30
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Meanwhile also

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/b...ence-s8pd8vslj

but I guess that doesn't make for satisfying bad news.
Great, very welcome news. Will it accommodate 20,000+ redundant car workers from Wiltshire?
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