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Old 17th Feb 2019, 16:24
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GTW, ah, thank you. I expect I will be working then but had forgotten about the elections.

Now, let's see, Brexit party, no. Labour party pro Brexit, no. Tory party pro something, no. Vince Cable, no?

Ah, I know, none of the above,😁
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 16:36
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GTW, knocking on doors must be interesting. I presume if there is an opposition poster on display that you don't bother? Or do you on the grounds that they may not all vote the same way?I

If they are displaying a friendly poster do you bother or is it you that provides the poster?

Now one thing i have seen in the USA is placard bearing supporters on polling day standing at a road junction or roundabout advertising their candidate. Often you will have opposing parties represented at the same junction and all quite amicably. Is that not permitted in UK?
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 16:57
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
GTW, knocking on doors must be interesting. I presume if there is an opposition poster on display that you don't bother? Or do you on the grounds that they may not all vote the same way?I
Depends, particularly in HMOs where different residents have no connection with each other apart from renting bedsits in the same house. The software tries to flag HMOs, using an algorithm such as "three different surnames at the same address", but that's not 100% accurate, eg where the parents are called Mr Smith and Ms Bloggs and the kids are called Smith-Bloggs.

Even when its a married couple it might be worth knocking. Once Upon A Time the front room window belonging to our Tory candidate had two posters up - one Tory one for him, and one LibDem one for me, because his wife wasn't a Tory.

If I'm knocking up on polling day I skip houses with opposition posters, guessing that inaccurate data is more likely than one of these scenarios, and you really don't want to be wasting time on polling day. But not everybody does the same.
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If they are displaying a friendly poster do you bother or is it you that provides the poster?
Most of the posters are there because you've persuaded someone to take them as part of the conversation after knocking on their door. You knock anyway, if they're on your list, because what the canvasser doesn't necessarily know is whether the person on your list is the one who put the poster up. And because the most value comes from talking to your supporters - being talked to makes an enormous difference to whether, on the day, someone can actually be arsed to go out and vote.
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Now one thing i have seen in the USA is placard bearing supporters on polling day standing at a road junction or roundabout advertising their candidate. Often you will have opposing parties represented at the same junction and all quite amicably. Is that not permitted in UK?
That one depends on where you live. In Birmingham every lamp post on some main roads has three posters, one for each party. In other places it's not allowed. You don't have actual human beings doing this, they're spending polling day knocking on doors, nobody has any people to spare for any other function.
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 17:04
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What was that about getting a gong and tax evasion being a non starter? They may not exactly evade tax although they certainly live and obtain their security from the taxes of others and Recently they’ve been squabbles over tiaras let alone gongs, bongs and Lord High Admirals!
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 17:11
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Tom was a lovely chap, born in 1923 he was a nurse all his working life. He could never quite believe that anybody wouldn't vote for him. He died a couple of years back at 94. He loved the NHS.
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 17:54
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GTW, ty. I still remember with a grin the one and only time we had a door knocker and never a phone call. I was asked if I was going to vote.

I replied absolutely honestly, No.

Ah ha, a potential vote, why not?

Already voted. Puzzled look, how? Then the penny dropped. How did I vote?

​​​Foxtrot Oscar (only more politely)

Would you have put that down as yes or no given the area?
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 18:08
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Point One, I made no comments on whether I found his tax bill acceptable.
Point 2, At what point is living there till aged 9/10 not growing up?
Point 3, Rag to riches? Another saying that I didn't even mention.

If you are going to reply to comments, try not to twist them to make your smug self seem superior.
I clearly stated that the quote was from the Sunday Times re his tax liabilities.
You, from your comments, seem to hate anyone who makes money from taking risks and working hard. That is your business. I was asking a question, that without people such as him, who is going to replace the tax? Will you voluntarily pay more? Or do you just sit there criticizing everybody else?

I won't be replying to you again. I agree with some of your former colleagues though....
You made the point about him being successful and a genius at making money....if you make money, it's not unrealistic to expect to pay tax, in one form or another, hence £350m in unpaid VAT is hardly a trivial amount. so why did he expect to be bailed out with a extension in time to pay.

He lived in Failsworth for part of his childhood, not all of it. There's a few years after moving when he was also growing up that are equally relevant.

Lets see....... "lived in a council house " " becomes a multi millionaire "..now what possible connection could there be to mentioning his origins and "rags to riches ".

I am far from averse to people making money, providing they pay their taxes and reward those who are employed in contributing to their wealth. I have no time for those professing their "patriotism " in one breath, whilst quietly removing their assets to tax havens outside the UK and subsequently leaving the UK in order to maintain their wealth courtesy of such beneficial locations. I don't know if he has any off shore accounts of course, but, it would amazing to learn otherwise.

As I've been contributing to UK tax all my working life, why should I now pay more when I'm retired and still paying tax. The working population of the UK will continue to pay tax, albeit there may be a shortfall due to the imminent lack of immigrants coming to the UK.....bewildering though this may be, they also pay tax.

I have no idea as to whom "my former colleagues " as you refer to them are, but, if you are referring to those who wasted their entire working lives in the military, whom, thankfully, I don't know personally, then you join the well established demographic who don't take kindly to any form of criticism or having your views questioned because your working and daily lives are generally ordered and structured due to their rank.
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 19:05
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Multinational company operating in over 20 countries. Only moved their headquarters to the UK in 2016 and now moving it out again. Not sure where the UK interest or investment in a wholly privately grown and owned company comes from, or why you think the UK taxman has some god given right to their money?

I have no time for those professing their "patriotism " in one breath, whilst quietly removing their assets to tax havens outside the UK and subsequently leaving the UK in order to maintain their wealth courtesy of such beneficial locations.
”Ineos said it had 400 companies in 35 jurisdictions that regularly paid dividends within the group. “These dividends are used to support the group’s funding requirements,” it said. “We currently have more than 10 major projects, including both acquisitions and new builds, worth over $1bn each.”......

Ratcliffe, Currie and Reece brought Ineos back from its Swiss tax exile in 2016, becoming UK residents again and opening a headquarters opposite Harrods in London. They have made it a player in the US shale gas boom, bought assets in the North Sea, announced plans to build a new offroad 4x4 like the Defender.......

Having funded all their deals over the years with debt, the trio own 100% of Ineos, with Currie and Reece holding 20% each. It has grown into a sprawling company with turnover of £45bn and a total of 18,500 employees across 181 sites in 22 countries......
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 19:07
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Already voted. Puzzled look, how? Then the penny dropped.
I would have asked a different question in the first place: "have you sent off your postal vote yet?".

Candidates' agents do get told who has and hasn't applied for a postal vote, if they take the trouble to ask, so not knowing is pure (time-wasting) incompetence.

Oh, and once the postal ballots have been sent out, a notice on your door saying "We have already voted" would stop me knocking on the door. Either it's true, so there's no point, or it's a lie, so there's no point - either way I save myself some wasted tens of seconds.
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 19:23
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Multinational company operating in over 20 countries. Only moved their headquarters to the UK in 2016 and now moving it out again. Not sure where the UK interest or investment in a wholly privately grown and owned company comes from, or why you think the UK taxman has some god given right to their money?
Too right, Why should they feel any obligation to the UK?




They got it too. Many more times as well.
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 19:31
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That's over eighteen years ago. You must have dug deep for that.
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 20:02
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GTW, I believe there are those who will engage the canvasser of the opposite party in much the same way others will play with scammers, even get a free lift to the polls.
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 20:38
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
GTW, I believe there are those who will engage the canvasser of the opposite party in much the same way others will play with scammers, even get a free lift to the polls.​​​​​​
Yes of course. I once told my Tory candidate oponent that Mrs GtW doesn't always do what she's told so wasn't guaranteed to vote for me, so he came and knocked on our door, and she kept him talking for ages - decent bloke, though, that one, for a Tory.

The worse DoS I suffered was on polling day, when I knocked on a door to encourage the resident to go to vote. "Oh, well, I could go now," she said, "but I haven't got a house key [for some complicated and barely plausible reason], so can you house sit for me? - it'll only be five minutes, it's only one minute to walk to the polling station from here [which was true]." She gets back something like forty minutes later "oh, seeing as I had to walk past the shop anyway I just popped in for a couple of items [about two carrier bags' worth]."

On the other hand I was giving a lady a lift to the polls when she said she hadn't decided who to vote for, and what were the local issues round here anyway? By the time we got to the polling station she said I'd convinced her and she was voting for us ... but who knows?

There are pretty well no lifts any more these days anyway, what with postal voting on demand.
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 21:02
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Question 1: So, given that Porsche have just announced that they will be placing a surcharge on all vehicles in the event of a no deal Brexit, does that mean that our glorious leaders might just raise their snouts from the trough long enough to engage what might remain of their brain and try to get something formalised in the next few weeks, if only to avoid having to shell out even more on their favourite already overpriced German metal?

Question 2: Now that Brexit is being blamed for multiple airlines going to the wall, plagues of frogs, famine and pestilence in the land [shortage pf medicines], is ot OK for me to blame it for me having a slight cough, no desire to go into work and it raining?

I speak as someone who was out of the country and unable to vote when the turkeys voted for Christmas every day. You may also be concluding that I'm not a fan of most of our elected representatives of whatever stripe, including our PQ mob. If so, you wouldn't be too wide of the mark.
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 21:22
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Originally Posted by Donkey497 View Post
Question 1: So, given that Porsche have just announced that they will be placing a surcharge on all vehicles in the event of a no deal Brexit, does that mean that our glorious leaders might just raise their snouts from the trough long enough to engage what might remain of their brain and try to get something formalised in the next few weeks, if only to avoid having to shell out even more on their favourite already overpriced German metal?
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Remarkable things, Porsches. Nothing howls like a remoaner or a 3.4 flat six at 7000 rpm,as you're pinned back into that plush leather seat. I can't imagine parting with mine. I worked like a bastard to put myself into the position where I could buy it in the first place but I digress.

We were, were we not told by at least one Brexit secretary, if not by five or six of them, that the EU would fold quicker than a winceyette nightie because the Germans would frankly scheissen their Lederhosen over the notion that they could no longer drown us in Audis & VW's.

Why isn't that happening?
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 21:27
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I took a customer's 911 Turbine into my garage for him, a trip of eight miles. I turned onto the main road, giving it a footful. It went up to about 90 in the first few hundred metres. I was impressed, but that was it for me. I didn't want to drive one again.
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 21:34
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Originally Posted by Donkey497 View Post
Question 1: So, given that Porsche have just announced that they will be placing a surcharge on all vehicles in the event of a no deal Brexit, does that mean that our glorious leaders might just raise their snouts from the trough long enough to engage what might remain of their brain and try to get something formalised in the next few weeks, if only to avoid having to shell out even more on their favourite already overpriced German metal?
Of course not. If a Porsche costs more, that means that fewer of the chavs can afford one, so it's an even more effective willy extension.
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 21:44
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
That's over eighteen years ago. You must have dug deep for that.
Eighteen years ago when he needed the country's support, he was given money.

Now when the country needs his support, he takes his money abroad.

Shameful.



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Old 17th Feb 2019, 21:47
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Probably none of today's Porsche drivers will be unable to afford their willy extension, they will simply fork out more money for them. Prices for that kind of car are arbitrary anyway.
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 21:54
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Probably none of today's Porsche drivers will be unable to afford their willy extension, they will simply fork out more money for them. Prices for that kind of car are arbitrary anyway.
I saw a 911 on its side in a ditch in the recent snow, with the driver leaning back against it waiting for recovery.

Amazing how everyone smiled as they drove slowly past.
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