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Old 14th Feb 2019, 12:58
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tescoapp: re the Germany recession post above: It is more a question of "Is it or is it not?" The official figure for the last quarter of 2018 shows zero growth. And that comes with the usual warning that, when adjusted later, it may go below that which would mean recession. So I guess it is still 'wait and see'. It is interesting to see that one of the reasons for the poor growth was not enough rain, leaving the Rhine with lower than usual water levels!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47236841
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 13:59
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
oops. Shouldn't end a sentence with a preposition
I think you mean that you shouldn't use a preposition to end a sentence with.

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Old 14th Feb 2019, 14:04
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
Some will have read that Airbus is going to discontinue production of the A380. Some will be minded to blame that on Brexit.
Presumably only those who are less up to speed than you.

Sounds unlikely.

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Old 14th Feb 2019, 14:06
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I think you mean that you shouldn't use a preposition to end a sentence with.
Or maybe I think you mean that you shouldn't use a preposition with which to end a sentence?
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 15:38
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Or maybe I think you mean that you shouldn't use a preposition with which to end a sentence?
No.

Being corrected is something up with which I will not put.
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 16:13
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It's another reason not to prolong things. More competent people of all political flavours will surface once the nonsense is finished with
is their anyone competent??
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 16:19
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An interesting take on Brexit.
Be not alarmed about your fate. This is par for the EU course as we approach the last tee of Brexit.

Running negotiations to the wire while reserving a special place in Hell for us is no indication of our fate. It usually comes more or less right in the end, though it may not emerge until the eve of March 29 when we are due to leave

President Donald Tusk’s promising us the fires of Hades is a sure sign the Brussels bureaucracy is rattled. I have been there many times in my 16 years’ direct experience of EU relations up to 1990 - and it has only got worse since.

Margaret Thatcher was called “a fish wife” when she asked for her money back – ie a rebate on Britain’s excessive contribution – at the Dublin summit in 1979. The two Helmuts – Chancellor Schmidt and Kohl -= either fell asleep as she spoke or, in Kohl’s case, sought early solace in cream buns in a restaurant in his Rhineland home town of Diedesheim.

The Irish, in the form of Charles Haughey, ostentatiously played hard to get in Rhodes and Guilio Andreotti, the Italian PM, was always looking for a chance to bounce the Brits as he did in Rome in 1990 over further EU integration.

EU behaviour towards the UK is based on an inferiority complex which has its roots in Waterloo (or perhaps Crecy and Agincourt) and is immensely influenced by World War II.

I doubt whether the French will ever forget the Duke of Wellington’s triumph over Bonaparte’s effort to colonise Europe by force. After World War II they pulled the strings in Europe until Germany shook off some of its World War II guilt with the fall of the Berlin wall and its reunification.

The EU’s approach to Brexit is entirely understandable. Nothing would soothe their troubled breasts more than frustrating our contracting out of their entirely undemocratic attempt to build a United States of Europe or making life difficult for us.

Some would say they have so far succeeded and that the arrogance of Tusk, Jean-Claude Junker, Michel Barnier, French President Emmanuel Macron and to some extent German Chancellor Angela Merkel is proof that they think they have got us where they want us.

It is a grave delusion. Indeed, I suspect that deep down they know that by March 29 they will have to cobble together a reasonable divorce settlement or be condemned for their irresponsibility in a fragile world.

Theresa May’s task is to stick with demanding they stop messing about and come up with a clean break with the minimum of disruption. Call me what you will, but deliver.

The reason we are where we are is quite simply because of the Euro-federalists’ aim to create a United States of Europe without the consent of the EU’s 500m electors.

Britain is the first to say enough is enough but the continent is restive partly because of the dire effects of a single currency that has impoverished its southern states. Political unrest stalks the mainland and not least France and Germany.

It would be ironic if the elite’s empire building were to result in a fragmented and nationalist continent.

We may think that Mrs May is not robust enough in her dealing with these misguided folk. She is certainly not as tough as I would be unless she is consciously running the whole issue into the buffers. If she is, she has undoubtedly one advantage: her behaviour is impeccable and nobody is quite clear just what she is up to.

My one regret in retirement is that I am not going to Brussels regularly - as I did with Mrs Thatcher – in a minority of11-1 (now inevitably 27-1). I used to tell an inquiring media – and at Commonwealth summits where the UK was in a minority of 53-1 – that being beleaguered is a wonderful feeling when you know you are right.

Britain has long borne an expensive cross in the form of what has become the EU and historically I am sure Mr Tusk’s special place in hell will be reserved for them, not Brexiteers, if they mishandle our departure.

They – or more accurately France and Germany - now hold the whole caboodle together only by corruption through the cash they throw at lesser European fry.

The challenge to them today is to recognise where their federalism is taking them. These benighted people need to rethink their European concept – as Mrs Thatcher advised them in 1988.
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 16:47
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Another unattributed quotation, of someone else who thinks the EU owes Britain a living.
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 16:55
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Oh it's attributable alright. State of it.


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Old 14th Feb 2019, 17:21
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The quote came from Sir Bernard Ingham via Probus.
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 17:57
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who on earth is the imbecile who thinks the Eu dislike Britain because of events like Waterloo. Napolean was in fact defeated by the Eu of its day NOT by Britain, we lead a coalition of Britain , Netherlands, Spain, Russia and allies , Austro Hungarian Empire and Prussia-basically Germany. Not all these were at Waterloo but Netherlands nad Prussia certainly were and the others had all been involved in fighting the French empire.

Waterloo was at a stalemate -no mean achievement by Wellington as the French were very powerful army , the decisive element being the large Prussian force under Blucher ,( A Swede) more than the English and Dutch arrived at the end of days desperate fighting and took the French in the Flank and numbers plus the awful wearing down they had got from Wellington determined soldiers did for Ney and Napoleon . To say Europeans are against us because of issues like Waterloo is absurd, most Europeans were on our side and in fact it foreshadowed the opportunity we have today where Germany and France have problems and effectively we would lead the Eu for the next ten years .

Except that we have been duped into choosing to be a European North Korea , a small satellite state on the edge of a continent- distrusted by everyone, with the population short of food and medicines , suppression of outside news and poverty but hang on to our nuclear weapons. Oh and a trade deal with the Faroe islands

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Re Mr Ingham , if you feel that everyone else on an organisation is against you- 27-1 and 53-1 the odds are that it is you who are in the wrong. The lack of self awareness of some people is astonishing and of course it was that kind of thinking that did for Maggie in the end anyway. What is about the English psyche that means we are always right, everyone is against us (well we have attacked almost every country in the world so thats possible. )

Why are we are the only nation who knows how to do everything when our everyday life shows we are pretty good at some things but pretty useless at a great many others. Why is it alright for us to continually break deals and contracts when we feel like it, why are we not corrupt when politicians in every other country in the world are corrupt. Why dont we we have any large scale industry when we invented industrialisation, why do we have ludicrous property prices that ahrm everyone except a few landlords and help to push up our GDP to absurd levels, why do we have such poor state pensions , why did we cheat millions of decent women of their pension rights, why do we vilify people who genuinely cannot find work, why are our schools so bad , why has FIFA conspired to stop us winning the world cup both the game and the hosting for 50 plus years. Why is the whole world against us , when we are obviously always in the right, why do we never look at a our lazy civil servants and politicians on issues like immigration- we dont need borders and controls we are f--king island for gods sake and cannot even manage to manage immigration levels, Why didnt we knight numerous self effacing genuinely good people who did great things for our country yet won't take 'honours ' away from scum like Archer and Green-I mean we are the best country in the world arent , we , and we won the war didnt we.
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 18:43
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Rumours (alledgedly etc) starting to fly around Westminster that “something big” is about to be announced.....most money seems to be riding on Chuka Umunna resigning the Labour Whip.......

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Old 14th Feb 2019, 19:02
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Whether or not that’s the case, the fiction of Labour Brexit “unity” can’t be maintained much longer. Can anyone now place the words “Corbyn” and “conviction politician” in same sentence with a straight face?
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 19:13
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Rory Stuart on C4 openly begging Labour MP's to support May.
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 20:00
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 21:36
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Originally Posted by rogerg View Post
The quote came from Sir Bernard Ingham via Probus.
Right. He hasn't changed much from his Thatcher days then.
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 21:37
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Rumours (alledgedly etc) starting to fly around Westminster that “something big” is about to be announced.....most money seems to be riding on Chuka Umunna resigning the Labour Whip.......

8pm was being touted as the time for "something big", although the rumours I heard involved Tories not Labour.

But 8pm came and went and nothing from any of them. All mouth and no trousers, the lot of them.
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 21:57
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pax britanica have a quick read of the historical journals, it was Wellington allowing Napoleon to make bad decisions gave the victory to Wellington. The Prussians arriving hastened the decision but the decision would have been made without them.
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Old 15th Feb 2019, 05:10
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Here's Treeza in the future....... having been let out for the day to sit in a shelter on the promenade near her Eastbourne retirement home.......

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...defeat-cartoon

For those, and this has been mentioned before, convinced the Guardian is never critical of Labour ( because they've never actually read the paper ) here's a suitably scathing piece which just about summates matters perfectly.....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...re-certifiable
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