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Old 14th Feb 2019, 05:56
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There's always been some confusion for many regarding "sell by " and "use by " and "best before " dates.....

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Old 14th Feb 2019, 06:26
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I guess at least Brexit has distracted us from another fine mess Boris was very much involved in....

”The charity behind a plan to build a garden bridge across the Thames in London spent £53.5m without even beginning full construction, final figures for the abandoned scheme have revealed.

Of the total spent by the Garden Bridge Trust, £43m was public money – £24m from Transport for London and £19m from the Department for Transport, TfL said on Wednesday.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...tion-tfl-finds

” Boris Johnson has said he can’t remember why he agreed to water down conditions for the release of public money for the bridge”..

Yep, sure.....
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 06:34
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 06:52
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Brexit may of course provide equal opportunities...

https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...-poses-may-and

For the few still holding the belief that Brexit is all about what is best for the people of the Untied...err United Kingdom the last paragraph makes interesting reading ...

”The lesson which May has taken from history is that it is better to stand back as Britain and Ireland hurl towards the cliff’s edge than to risk a Tory split by putting country before party.“.....
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 07:05
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A government conundrum that is puzzling me: Various idiots in the government have said, from time to time, the UK will face a shortage of medicines, food, toothpaste etc etc. as a consequence of their mis-management of Brexit. Presumably, this refers to these products not being available in Europe for export to UK. Right?
So, why did the mad house feel the need to contract these extra ships that are Graylings current bete noir? Do they really think that a reduction in imports from Europe has to be countered by an increase in capacity to bring these shrinking imports to the UK?
I will admit algebra was never my strong point but Ican't see how this equation works.
And, flying off on a different tangent, we read in today's news that local authorities are expecting to have to raise council tax rates from 'silly' to 'outrageous'. This is because Westminster has reduced the amount of funding from central government. Meanwhile the HS2 white elephant plouhs on, gobbling up somewhere north of £44Bn. How about this for a radical idea: scrap HS2 and give each local authority in the UK something like £100M each? Or does that come under "inane idea"?
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 07:30
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
A government conundrum that is puzzling me: Various idiots in the government have said, from time to time, the UK will face a shortage of medicines, food, toothpaste etc etc. as a consequence of their mis-management of Brexit.
I think you might struggle to find any record of a minister saying exactly that.......
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 07:31
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Some will have read that Airbus is going to discontinue production of the A380. Some will be minded to blame that on Brexit. That would not be the case. Blame it on a cancelled Emirates order.
Those who support continued alliance with a state whose leadership has recently been charterised by the Selmayr story should re-evaluate the definitions that they themselves apply to whatever delusions they hold as to what constitutes a democratic government.
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 07:46
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
A government conundrum that is puzzling me: Various idiots in the government have said, from time to time, the UK will face a shortage of medicines, food, toothpaste etc etc. as a consequence of their mis-management of Brexit. Presumably, this refers to these products not being available in Europe for export to UK. Right?
So, why did the mad house feel the need to contract these extra ships that are Graylings current bete noir? Do they really think that a reduction in imports from Europe has to be countered by an increase in capacity to bring these shrinking imports to the UK?
I will admit algebra was never my strong point but Ican't see how this equation works.
And, flying off on a different tangent, we read in today's news that local authorities are expecting to have to raise council tax rates from 'silly' to 'outrageous'. This is because Westminster has reduced the amount of funding from central government. Meanwhile the HS2 white elephant plouhs on, gobbling up somewhere north of £44Bn. How about this for a radical idea: scrap HS2 and give each local authority in the UK something like £100M each? Or does that come under "inane idea"?
Nope. However, and unfortunately, such ideas contravene the policies of social engineering which Dave and Gideon embraced with zealous enthusiasm .....thankfully, these days are now firmly rooted in history as austerity is a thing of the past (c.Treeza ) even though it isn't, which is a trivial detail after all, plus, the whizzo plan to reduce funding to local authorities means the Gov't are entirely blameless because clearly those authorities alone are now responsible for the cuts !

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...rity-hits-hard

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Old 14th Feb 2019, 07:49
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
Some will have read that Airbus is going to discontinue production of the A380. Some will be minded to blame that on Brexit. That would not be the case. Blame it on a cancelled Emirates order.
Those who support continued alliance with a state whose leadership has recently been charterised by the Selmayr story should re-evaluate the definitions that they themselves apply to whatever delusions they hold as to what constitutes a democratic government.
Well I've read some rubbish on here, but ...

The A380 will be discontinued when the current orders are completed. End of, as they say.

For a Brexit supporter to connect this with Brexit is just as stupid as when Boris, yes Boris Johnson, invented a connection with WW3.

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Old 14th Feb 2019, 07:54
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Kelvin D:
So, why did the mad house feel the need to contract these extra ships that are Graylings current bete noir? Do they really think that a reduction in imports from Europe has to be countered by an increase in capacity to bring these shrinking imports to the UK?
I would imagine that the effective capacity of Dover (and Calais?) might be reduced due to congestion/queuing/customs delays. Hence the need to bring spare capacity, in the form of other ports, into play. One might have thought that this could be done just by re-assigning some Dover-Calais ferries to other routes, but as these routes are longer then ferries can make fewer trips and hence the the probable need for more ships.
Of course none of this excuses Failing Grailing's (stet!) performance.
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 07:59
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There you go Tescoapp, contrary to you being adamant that Germany was going into recession they narrowly avoided it.

https://www.ft.com/content/2d70b44c-...4-e7016697f225
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 08:01
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I guess at least Brexit has distracted us from another fine mess Boris was very much involved in....

”The charity behind a plan to build a garden bridge across the Thames in London spent £53.5m without even beginning full construction, final figures for the abandoned scheme have revealed.


Some more details released:
Figures released by Transport for London detail payments to the Bouygues Travaux Publics and Cimolai SpA – Joint Venture.

Consultant Arup was also paid more than £12m in fees among a total of £53.5m wasted on the project.

The documents state the contractors were paid for “mobilising significant resources, systems, labour, supply chain and support networks to further refine the designs, create prototypes and samples, submit designs for approval by Arup, liaison with third parties to secure rights and consents over areas to erect the bridge and submit details to discharge the planning conditions.”

They were paid £5.1m for the Preconstruction Services Agreement period and £13.4m for the period between being awarded the £90m main contract and the project being scrapped.

A payment of £2.1m was also made for the ‘The demobilisation of staff, offices and repatriation of plant and labour upon suspending the contract.”

Alex Williams, Director of City Planning at Transport for London said: “As part of our continuing commitment to transparency, we have published the final financial breakdown for the Garden Bridge project, on behalf of the Trust, as well as all evidence sought as part of this review.

‘This formally ends our involvement with the project.”

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Old 14th Feb 2019, 08:04
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Presumably, this refers to these products not being available in Europe for export to UK. Right?
Wrong.

The issues foreseen as delays in delivery due to customs and tariff issues both at manufacturers and the main ports; delivery issues due to licensing issues for UK HGV drivers in the EU and vice-versa; shortages due to stockpiling, both unnecessary and necessary leading to shortages elsewhere; and mutual recognition of standards for pharmaceuticals etc.

All are soluble, and should have been resolved, but reluctance to do so for many reasons, including cost and being seen as scaremongering, means many haven’t. Though many temporary agreements can be seen in the papers of the last couple of weeks.

For example, one may reason for extra shipping was fear that the Channel Tunnel would be a bottleneck due to driver licensing etc. But a temporary extension of 3 months has been agreed if “no-deal” occurs to allow new agreements to be put in place.

https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2019/02/1...o-deal-brexit/
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 08:10
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Well I've read some rubbish on here, but ...

The A380 will be discontinued when the current orders are completed. End of, as they say.

For a Brexit supporter to connect this with Brexit is just as stupid as when Boris, yes Boris Johnson, invented a connection with WW3.

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Tsk ! the time to be concerned, really concerned, is when Boris makes a factual, truthful honest and accurate statement......although no precedents are envisaged in this respect.

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Old 14th Feb 2019, 08:34
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Can't see the ft article did they managed to get it to 0.1% in the end?

If so I am glad they did. It's all we need is Germany being labelled in recession. That would be two in recession and one leaving out of the top 4 EU economies.

See Spain is looking at crash elections as well.
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 08:38
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Some will have read that Airbus is going to discontinue production of the A380. Some will be minded to blame that on Brexit.
Says the first person to bring that up on this thread..

The writing has been in the wall for the 380 for some time now, pretty much everybody knew continuation relied on an order from Emirates.....nobody for one minute suggested a Brexit involvement until you came along....
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 08:43
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Shame about the A380 though. The best plane to be a passenger in.

(oops. Shouldn't end a sentence with a preposition)
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 08:58
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And now everyone’s doing it. What a load of old basura!
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 09:49
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'All are solvable, and should have been resolved, but reluctance to do so for many reasons, including cost and being seen as scaremongering, means many haven’t. Though many temporary agreements can be seen in the papers of the last couple of weeks. "Were

Two years was the mistake. Two months seems to be concentrating minds.
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 09:56
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Despite fitting most of the characteristics of a Euro quitter , I am fervent stayer but to link the fate of the A380 to Brexit is nonsense. Sadly it is by far the nicest plane in the sky for passengers and as Emirates have shown in can do a very good job. Sadly the T7 is a horrid plane to fly on in comparison but as we know airlines care little for their customers just so long as they can sell a seat-not entirely their fault but I do think the economics sometimes take a little more precedence than they should .

Back to Brexit as both political parties seem on the verge of falling to pieces maybe some common sense will be come involved in the debate. the EUs not perfect but it does work to a degree and as we have seen left to ourselves Britain doesn't work at all and is a shambles , Becoming a laughing stock on the world stage is not very nice and starting every trade negotiation on a kneeling position , often with countries who have reason not to like us because of history , hardly augers well for the so called 'we cans trike trade deals with the world' a nonsensical position from the outset and of course on 30 March we could not be in the Eu or WTO which basically makes us North Korea from an economic point of view as we cannot feed ourselves, medicate ourselves, cloth ourselves, power our homes and admittedly small industry and this si supposed to be a good thing. Welcome to Great Britain , the land of the press gang, child labour , mass poverty, no care for the sick and elderly, enclosures, no workers rights , rotten boroughs need I go on......
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