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Old 14th Feb 2019, 08:59
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There you go Tescoapp, contrary to you being adamant that Germany was going into recession they narrowly avoided it.

https://www.ft.com/content/2d70b44c-...4-e7016697f225
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 09:01
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
I guess at least Brexit has distracted us from another fine mess Boris was very much involved in....

”The charity behind a plan to build a garden bridge across the Thames in London spent £53.5m without even beginning full construction, final figures for the abandoned scheme have revealed.


Some more details released:
Figures released by Transport for London detail payments to the Bouygues Travaux Publics and Cimolai SpA – Joint Venture.

Consultant Arup was also paid more than £12m in fees among a total of £53.5m wasted on the project.

The documents state the contractors were paid for “mobilising significant resources, systems, labour, supply chain and support networks to further refine the designs, create prototypes and samples, submit designs for approval by Arup, liaison with third parties to secure rights and consents over areas to erect the bridge and submit details to discharge the planning conditions.”

They were paid £5.1m for the Preconstruction Services Agreement period and £13.4m for the period between being awarded the £90m main contract and the project being scrapped.

A payment of £2.1m was also made for the ‘The demobilisation of staff, offices and repatriation of plant and labour upon suspending the contract.”

Alex Williams, Director of City Planning at Transport for London said: “As part of our continuing commitment to transparency, we have published the final financial breakdown for the Garden Bridge project, on behalf of the Trust, as well as all evidence sought as part of this review.

‘This formally ends our involvement with the project.”

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Old 14th Feb 2019, 09:04
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Presumably, this refers to these products not being available in Europe for export to UK. Right?
Wrong.

The issues foreseen as delays in delivery due to customs and tariff issues both at manufacturers and the main ports; delivery issues due to licensing issues for UK HGV drivers in the EU and vice-versa; shortages due to stockpiling, both unnecessary and necessary leading to shortages elsewhere; and mutual recognition of standards for pharmaceuticals etc.

All are soluble, and should have been resolved, but reluctance to do so for many reasons, including cost and being seen as scaremongering, means many haven’t. Though many temporary agreements can be seen in the papers of the last couple of weeks.

For example, one may reason for extra shipping was fear that the Channel Tunnel would be a bottleneck due to driver licensing etc. But a temporary extension of 3 months has been agreed if “no-deal” occurs to allow new agreements to be put in place.

https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2019/02/1...o-deal-brexit/
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 09:10
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Well I've read some rubbish on here, but ...

The A380 will be discontinued when the current orders are completed. End of, as they say.

For a Brexit supporter to connect this with Brexit is just as stupid as when Boris, yes Boris Johnson, invented a connection with WW3.

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Tsk ! the time to be concerned, really concerned, is when Boris makes a factual, truthful honest and accurate statement......although no precedents are envisaged in this respect.

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Old 14th Feb 2019, 09:34
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Can't see the ft article did they managed to get it to 0.1% in the end?

If so I am glad they did. It's all we need is Germany being labelled in recession. That would be two in recession and one leaving out of the top 4 EU economies.

See Spain is looking at crash elections as well.
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 09:38
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Some will have read that Airbus is going to discontinue production of the A380. Some will be minded to blame that on Brexit.
Says the first person to bring that up on this thread..

The writing has been in the wall for the 380 for some time now, pretty much everybody knew continuation relied on an order from Emirates.....nobody for one minute suggested a Brexit involvement until you came along....
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 09:43
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Shame about the A380 though. The best plane to be a passenger in.

(oops. Shouldn't end a sentence with a preposition)
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 09:58
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And now everyone’s doing it. What a load of old basura!
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 10:49
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'All are solvable, and should have been resolved, but reluctance to do so for many reasons, including cost and being seen as scaremongering, means many haven’t. Though many temporary agreements can be seen in the papers of the last couple of weeks. "Were

Two years was the mistake. Two months seems to be concentrating minds.
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 10:56
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Despite fitting most of the characteristics of a Euro quitter , I am fervent stayer but to link the fate of the A380 to Brexit is nonsense. Sadly it is by far the nicest plane in the sky for passengers and as Emirates have shown in can do a very good job. Sadly the T7 is a horrid plane to fly on in comparison but as we know airlines care little for their customers just so long as they can sell a seat-not entirely their fault but I do think the economics sometimes take a little more precedence than they should .

Back to Brexit as both political parties seem on the verge of falling to pieces maybe some common sense will be come involved in the debate. the EUs not perfect but it does work to a degree and as we have seen left to ourselves Britain doesn't work at all and is a shambles , Becoming a laughing stock on the world stage is not very nice and starting every trade negotiation on a kneeling position , often with countries who have reason not to like us because of history , hardly augers well for the so called 'we cans trike trade deals with the world' a nonsensical position from the outset and of course on 30 March we could not be in the Eu or WTO which basically makes us North Korea from an economic point of view as we cannot feed ourselves, medicate ourselves, cloth ourselves, power our homes and admittedly small industry and this si supposed to be a good thing. Welcome to Great Britain , the land of the press gang, child labour , mass poverty, no care for the sick and elderly, enclosures, no workers rights , rotten boroughs need I go on......
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 11:05
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
'All are solvable, and should have been resolved, but reluctance to do so for many reasons, including cost and being seen as scaremongering, means many haven’t. Though many temporary agreements can be seen in the papers of the last couple of weeks. "Were

Two years was the mistake. Two months seems to be concentrating minds.
Well quite !...even better was your delusion the UK would simply be leaving the day after the vote. as that was the end of the matter.

Just out of interest, given that two years has produced little in the way of tangible progress, and only in more recent times have non politicians, such as people involved in occupations that will be directly affected been openly voicing their concerns on the basis they actually know what they are talking about, what quantum leaps do you envisage in the days left....which are considerably fewer than a couple of calendar months ?
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 12:18
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Mainly workable sensible variations that will minimise damage to the EU members.

These variations with have a secondary effect of also helping UK out.

All of these variations could have been put in a plan at the very start. But that would have made project fear even less successful. So it's only when both sides nuts are in the vice is anything sensible going to happen.
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 13:14
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It was painful this morning, watching Failing sitting on the front bench with that bloody rictus grin that seems constantly to adorn his face. He sat there, grinning away while his Ministers were answering questions about his performance (or, more properly, lack of). What an abysmal performance by an abysmal Secretary of State!
And yesterday's PMQ reminded me of a school report from when I was at the height of my rebellious school days. My then physics teacher wrote "This boy is occupying a grammar school place that could be better used by another". He was probably right at the time but watching Mrs. May at the dispatch box yesterday brought that sentence to mind. I don't think I have ever seen a more ineffective Prime Minister and I think it would do the country an enormous amount of good if she was to resign and give the job to someone who can actually do it!
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 13:21
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You really think anyone with any sense that wants a further career in UK politics would touch any of the top jobs until the UK is out.

It's another reason not to prolong things. More competent people of all political flavours will surface once the nonsense is finished with.
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 13:58
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tescoapp: re the Germany recession post above: It is more a question of "Is it or is it not?" The official figure for the last quarter of 2018 shows zero growth. And that comes with the usual warning that, when adjusted later, it may go below that which would mean recession. So I guess it is still 'wait and see'. It is interesting to see that one of the reasons for the poor growth was not enough rain, leaving the Rhine with lower than usual water levels!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47236841
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 14:59
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
oops. Shouldn't end a sentence with a preposition
I think you mean that you shouldn't use a preposition to end a sentence with.

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Old 14th Feb 2019, 15:04
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
Some will have read that Airbus is going to discontinue production of the A380. Some will be minded to blame that on Brexit.
Presumably only those who are less up to speed than you.

Sounds unlikely.

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Old 14th Feb 2019, 15:06
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I think you mean that you shouldn't use a preposition to end a sentence with.
Or maybe I think you mean that you shouldn't use a preposition with which to end a sentence?
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 16:38
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Or maybe I think you mean that you shouldn't use a preposition with which to end a sentence?
No.

Being corrected is something up with which I will not put.
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 17:13
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It's another reason not to prolong things. More competent people of all political flavours will surface once the nonsense is finished with
is their anyone competent??
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