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Old 12th Feb 2019, 20:46
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That's a fun interview. Farage splurting out his usual rubbish and getting fact checked and proven wrong on the spot by the sassy presenter.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 21:38
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That's a fun interview. Farage splurting out his usual rubbish and getting fact checked and proven wrong on the spot by the sassy presenter.
"Believe you me" he said - immediately after being proved wrong twice within one minute.

Like some on here, he is just obsessed with the dream that the EU might fail, to prove him right. In fact, recent polls in EU countries, like Ireland, have shown increased support for the EU. And that support will increase further as they watch Britain sinking beneath the cold Atlantic waves.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 22:02
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Conversely, when it comes to Farage, I believe he needs the uk to fail. He only thrives in chaos. By helping the country he claims to love to shuffle to the edge of an undeliverable fantasy, he creates the single set of conditions in which he can operate.

I genuinely believe in time we will find out the web of deceit that links him to Banks, Assange, .Trump, Yakovenko & all the others up to their necks in this mess. Lots out there but lots more to come.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 23:51
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
Just to unpick the voluminous anti EU tropes in this billy doo.

Greece - shorthand for the EU maliciously shafting countries for the sake of it. Motives never offered, but assertion driven home. Greek profligacy never mentioned, Greek re-election of Alexis Tsipras on a pro Europe ticket never mentioned.

Soros = shorthand for Jew/. Shadowy anti democratic cabal, usually proffered by the same people who insist Russia didn't interfere in our own democratic process & scoff at anyone who does.

Voting again until you make the right decision - a greatest hit for the fans. Also nonsense, usually put about by red faced Kippers in reference to the Irish vote on the Lisbon treaty where in actual fact renegotiation took place to bring about reassurances on sovereignty but always punted as an example of the anti democratic EU & never with the detail I just mentioned., More below featuring old frog face being skewered by someone I sincerely wish worked on British telly.

Try facts Noel because I see you.
You are employed by the European Commission, right?
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Old 13th Feb 2019, 05:18
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Soros = shorthand for Jew/. Shadowy anti democratic cabal
What's his religion got to do with it, I don't have a clue if he is of not.

Or are leavers going to be accused of being anti Catholic next.

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Old 13th Feb 2019, 06:10
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Those who are so adamant about a "no deal " departure, and the UK's rose tinted future, may wish to photo-shop images of themselves in lieu of those depicted.....

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-talks-cartoon

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Old 13th Feb 2019, 06:40
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
You are employed by the European Commission, right?
Of course.

All Remainers are, didn't you know ?
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Old 13th Feb 2019, 07:37
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Brexit never has an answer.
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Old 13th Feb 2019, 07:43
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And that support will increase further as they watch Britain sinking beneath the cold Atlantic waves
The problem with many statements here is the use of dogmatic emotive language in their argument. The quote above is just one example.

As written this is a hard fact, the only thing that is true is that the Atlantic waves are cold.

And that support may increase further as they watch Britain should sinking beneath the cold Atlantic waves its economy weaken.

Does have quite such impact does it? I submit that it is more accurate though.
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Old 13th Feb 2019, 08:09
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
The problem with many statements here is the use of dogmatic emotive language in their argument. The quote above is just one example.

As written this is a hard fact, the only thing that is true is that the Atlantic waves are cold.

And that support may increase further as they watch Britain should sinking beneath the cold Atlantic waves its economy weaken.

Does have quite such impact does it? I submit that it is more accurate though.
absolutely spot on PN. That's the problem with our Remainer friends, their minds are so closed to the possibility that brexit could be a success they automatically assume worst case disaster type scenarios in every case - a bit like project fear in fact!
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Old 13th Feb 2019, 08:15
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
Incidentally, this is interesting & what some of us, including me have been saying for a while. Now if only she had some form of national platform to share this revelation.


https://twitter.com/maitlis/status/1095283995208757248
yep, TM is doing a cracking job at doing not a lot at all. Apparently one of her sidekicks let slip in the pub that's she is basically just running down the clock and that it's still her deal or nowt.

Tickety tock...
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Old 13th Feb 2019, 08:23
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
Conversely, when it comes to Farage, I believe he needs the uk to fail. He only thrives in chaos. By helping the country he claims to love to shuffle to the edge of an undeliverable fantasy, he creates the single set of conditions in which he can operate.

I genuinely believe in time we will find out the web of deceit that links him to Banks, Assange, .Trump, Yakovenko & all the others up to their necks in this mess. Lots out there but lots more to come.
that's a real strange fantasy land you live in PP. What about your Remainer friends like Bliar, Gideon, Carney, Adonis? Bet they were all due a 'K', had things worked out as planned in June 16? Never mind, eh, sure they'll get sorted in due course.
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Old 13th Feb 2019, 08:24
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I see that Mark Carney has changed his view on Brexit. Article in today's Telegraph.
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Old 13th Feb 2019, 08:31
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absolutely spot on PN. That's the problem with our Remainer friends, their minds are so closed to the possibility that brexit could be a success they automatically assume worst case disaster type scenarios in every case - a bit like project fear in fact!
Just a couple of words missing from your otherwise flawless sycophancy ......cumulative and insidious..... thus negating any assumptions ......remarkably similar to an accident report in fact, which, with the benefit of hindsight, invariably confirms both were present and a feature of the causal factors, warnings being ignored by those with the closed minds who preferred to ignore the warnings because "nothing could go wrong / we've always done it this way, so it must be safe / are you questioning my / do you know who I am ? !! authority " until, that is.......
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Old 13th Feb 2019, 08:50
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Instructive that by my count now, four quitters in a row have been on without producing an ounce of substantive argument. It's almost as if they have nothing to offer other than whataboutery, goading & ad homs.

That does of course follow on from last night's quitters whining about imaginary insults. I fully expect those guys will now be along in the interests of British fair play to upbraid the galaxy minds indulging themselves in lieu of actual debate. Tickety tock indeed.
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Old 13th Feb 2019, 08:52
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Originally Posted by rogerg View Post
I see that Mark Carney has changed his view on Brexit. Article in today's Telegraph.
Apart from the headline not had time to read it yet but Project Hope is a good catch word. Both sides of the argument should embrace PH and for the right reasons.
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Old 13th Feb 2019, 09:05
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Apart from the headline not had time to read it yet but Project Hope is a good catch word. Both sides of the argument should embrace PH and for the right reasons.
The FT reported on the same speech and put a rather less positive spin on what he said. Guess what, the Torygraph is Brexit supporting paper, the FT supports remain.

Sure "project hope" is a good mantra, however since the arch can-kicker is still kicking her rusty can down the road, it's still hope rather than expectation. When she stops listening to the ERG and DUP and looks for cross party support to get whatever deal she believes will be better than the one she already has agreed, then expectation may just trump hope.
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Old 13th Feb 2019, 09:07
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There is nothing to give you that you will be happy with so we just don't bother.

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Old 13th Feb 2019, 09:08
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
Of course.

All Remainers are, didn't you know ?
Indeed, the BBC, the CBI, the British Chambers of Commerce - list goes on. Anyone who tries to be objective, or even worse challenges the Brexiteer dogma is automatically labelled a 5th columnist. They'll have us strung up or put into labour camps for our views before too long.
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Old 13th Feb 2019, 09:11
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Another unfolding problem (although it could solve the projected "log jams" at the ports) is that of 11,000 applications for the European Conference of Ministers of Transport (ECMT) international road haulage permits that may be needed in a No Deal scenario, only 1,000 have been granted!
Where's the logic in having a limited number?
BBC Today programme reported on several firms that applied for numerous permits and yet failed to get even one, so they face being unable to travel on the Continent after 29 March.
That's an instant killer of many UK transport businesses - how's that helping the UK's post Brexit economy?
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