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Old 12th Feb 2019, 16:21
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Originally Posted by G0ULI View Post

EU moves towards creating a federal Europe with unified conditions, zero exemptions and a single currency precipitated the Brexit debate. The UK was seeing the opt out provisions and rebates being eroded step by step to the point where a decision needed to be taken as to whether continued membership of the EU was actually in the UK national interest in the long term. Such a decision is effectively irrevokable, so the question was posed in a national referendum.
I disagree. A decision was not needed but through political expediency a certain PM offered a referendum on his manifesto. He thought Remain would win by a good margin. That makes it pretty clear that he thought no decision was needed.

It is generally seen as 'a good thing' that we didn't join the Euro. Instead we watched our purchasing power drop from €1.46 to €1.11. Would joining have been so bad?
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He was wrong on both counts.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 16:27
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GOULI That was wrong when you first said it and is still wrong now.

The likes of Boris Johnson told voters that "Leaving the EU" meant all sorts of goodies like free trade with the EU. Voters were also told that "Leaving the EU" meant 350million to spend on the NHS. They were told that "Leaving the EU" meant no problems in Ireland.
They were not told what "Leaving the EU" actually meant.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 16:51
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Intermission : "Hot dogs, soft drinks, ice cream and popcorn are available in the foyer ".....

Not sure if there's an inter-departmental challenge cup or league table, but, the DWP are challenging the Home Office for the prestigious "Not Fit for Purpose " award this year. Thankfully, according to Treeza and contributors on here, austerity ( and benefits, the two are inextricably linked ) doesn't exist so that was a saving to the UK taxpayer at the time !

Here's the latest point scoring offering. The only surprise is they haven't asked the poor soul if he could start nights tomorrow......

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...fter-his-death

"Patrons are now asked to resume their seats for the rest of the Brexitrap performance "
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 16:55
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Some times you have a valid point and . . .

How can you say there are no both sides? There weren't, now there are - us and them - UK and EU.

Why do you think I am continually points the finger at Brussels. Please quote just one thing I said that blames Brussels.

Fundamental truths? There are no fundamental truths. There are fundamental positions but they are not immutable.
Simple. Because we left. We voted to leave the club.

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PP, thank you. As you allude, the issue refers to all trade and in that respect the EU could help answer that now. "If you leave without a deal we will impose X tariff on Y"
These are known factors. That you accidentally or deliberately place the onus on the the EU tells me where your thinking is at. Leave the club, lose the benefits.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 17:00
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Incidentally, this is interesting & what some of us, including me have been saying for a while. Now if only she had some form of national platform to share this revelation.


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Old 12th Feb 2019, 17:09
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I suspect that what was said had very little effect on the final out come.

I know I didn't listen or follow any of it. Postal vote was sent off the day I received it and that was that.

The only people getting excited by it all were the media and an extreme minority at both ends of the spectrum.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 17:16
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
I suspect that what was said had very little effect on the final out come.
I wish you'd stop robotically repeating this. It's entirely irrelevant to the subject & the endless repetition is nothing more than teenage defiance.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 17:43
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The home stretch is upon you. Ascot beckons and there will be the axiomatic champagne and loads of women, drunk as skunks, pretending to be baby ladies, crawling around on the ground, which is only fun to watch if it’s been raining. The cars will still be taking the nouveau s riches to the turkey fields of the Dordoge and the Spanish hell holes of the Costas wil be full of wife beater drinking lobster backs. Nothing will have changed. Teresa will have resigned and be knitting at home at last with her rather quietly outstanding husband having successfully driven through the only form of Brexit that anyone would allow her to. One that conformed to the spirit of the 2016 parliamentary pledges to the people of Britain. The Scots will be disgruntled, but they count for naught, because they always are, just that. So all will be peace and contentment in the darling lands of Lady May. Boris will not be the next PM, which would secretly suit him for he wants more top down time with his new and more pleasant affair.
Break out the silver beakers and flow them full of bubbly, strawberries arrive in Dover on trucks from Spain and lots of cheap Chianti and here and there a creamed Devon scone to teach the world that Britannia rules the waves!

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Old 12th Feb 2019, 17:48
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If being in the EU is so great, why is it necessary for the UK have so many opt outs, exemptions, and special arrangements?
Because the UK's approach to the EU has always been that the membership must be solely serving the UK's interest, not about a mutual benefit for all members. That's why things went south when the EEC morphed into the EU and EU policy became less focused on an economic union and more on a political union.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 18:06
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Amen to that , c-cheetah!
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 18:18
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And Amen to that VB.

In, but only a little bit. Benefits, but only the ones we want. Common but on our terms.

Should we have joined the Euro?
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 18:18
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So Tescoapp . One of the most rabid of Brexiters does not even live in the UK. Do you happen to reside in Russia if not then tell us were??
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 18:30
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
ATNotts, true, anyone that travels will see things that others do better than we do, and a few things we do better. There is a very definite 'not invented here' tendency.

Roads are probably a good example. In the US a 4-way Stop at crossings seems to work. Filter on right (left) at lights seems to work. Flashing Amber at TL at night seems to work.
great, let's apply to join the United States then
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 19:02
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This astonishing, and illustrates why anyone who is thinking of booking travel to the EU by surface or air needs to take a deep breath and hold off until after the Brexit brinkmanship is finished.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47215904

Eurotunnel have been quite happy to tell us to book on their services and that everything will be fine post Brexit, then today we find that it has just been agreed that in the event of no deal on 29th March the EU has a greed a 3 month breathing space in which to put in place new agreements. Unbelievable! As it stands it's quite conceivable that people who have booked their two weeks in the sun in July to travel.

I imagine the airlines and tour operators are being similarly blase in taking bookings, with no certainty they'll be able to carry out their contract with the hapless customer.

I'm leaving these shores tomorrow, by Eurotunnel for a couple of weeks - and haven't booked, and have no intention of booking, anything else until the political brinkmanship and playing with people's lives is settled.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 19:12
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Originally Posted by Harley Quinn View Post
great, let's apply to join the United States then
HQ, don't be so provincial. Only my first example was US, the others in EU, apart from Italy where green, if on, means proceed with caution and red is optional.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 19:15
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
HQ, don't be so provincial. Only my first example was US, the others in EU, apart from Italy where green, if on, means proceed with caution and red is optional.
You're seriously holding Italian driving up as an exemplar?
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 19:24
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I have had no communication from Eurotunnel. As a holder of a Frequent Traveller account I would expect to be advised of any future possible difficulties. Maybe they are just keeping their heads down having assured me there would be no problems.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 19:29
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
I have had no communication from Eurotunnel. As a holder of a Frequent Traveller account I would expect to be advised of any future possible difficulties. Maybe they are just keeping their heads down having assured me there would be no problems.
Last time I checked their website (when I booked this weeks trip) they were saying that everything will be fine after Brexit, and even duty free allowances aren't going to be brought back. They appear to be living either in cloud cuckoo land or denial. Either way, I don't think they are the only business in the travel industry downplaying potential issues just to keep cash flow going - and lets face it, that's what it's all about.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 19:58
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
All of that is rubbish. If a GE can be set up in four weeks, so can a referendum. I don't believe we're getting one, for clarity, but I 'm bored rigid of people passing off their wish lists as facts. Same goes for EU federalisation. It's just a rallying cry for the hard of thinking.
One day, maybe, you will respond to a post you disagree with without including an insult of some form or another!
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 20:02
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
I wish you'd stop robotically repeating this. It's entirely irrelevant to the subject & the endless repetition is nothing more than teenage defiance.
Pot, kettles, black?
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