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Old 11th Feb 2019, 17:33
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Originally Posted by Andy_S View Post
That's exactly it. Personally I'm very happy for EU citizens to continue coming here to work, and I don't see why our leaving the EU should change that. I'm confident that as long as there is work available, and that we make it as easy as possible for them to take up that work, then there shouldn't be a problem.

Sally Ann makes a valid comment about immigration from outside the EU. It remains to be seen whether being free of the ECJ and the Right To A Family Life laws makes it any easier to deport illegals.
That's the problem though. If you voted leave to stop a free for all from Europe, then you haven't grasped how the system works & how it's applied in practice by the UK. Freedom of movement allows people to live & work in the EU 28. Any EU citizen can move to and remain in another EU country for up to three months. EU citizens who are students may remain for the duration of their studies, but must show that they have sufficient financial support for their period of study. Other EU citizens who wish to stay longer than three months must have comprehensive sickness insurance and prove that they have financial resources to support themselves If you have an issue with Romanian pikeys shoplifting their way round London, then whose fault is that? The EU or the government failing to enforce the rules?

I'm not suggesting this is your thought process, but I am suggesting it's how the debate was framed & millions believed it.
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 17:52
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
If I am 5 local before you that means I am further East than you.
That's a relief - perish the thought that you might have been fiddling your timesheet.
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 18:05
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Caution 1 ! contains references to UK domestic politics with no mention of Brexit !

Finally, an astute politician surfaces in the Tory ranks !......erm, not really, it's just that Amber has, finally, understood there may just be a correlation between Gov't policy and destitution for many innocent people and families.

Anyway, well done Amber !...gold (designer, obviously, ) star for you !...who knows, could even be a PM in waiting !

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...er-rudd-admits

Caution 2 ! does contain references to Brexit plus flights of fancy....so aviation content as well.

Gav "shut up and go away " has decided the era of drivers of HM FJ's is now over....sorry to break this bad news to those on here who formerly were...counselling may be available ( subject to M.o.D funding and procurement of such services once the feasibility studies are completed ) and the RAF will now be operating lots of little drones instead.

Also, nothing like going the whole hog when it comes to wooing the nostalgia / leave fraternity, he 's sending a gunboat to China !..well ok, it's possibly a bit heavier and better equipped than the original gunboats, but, it will show our "lethality " to the Chinese what !...actually, he sounds very reminiscent of Churchill...he was a warmonger as we know.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...vin-williamson

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Old 11th Feb 2019, 18:10
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Only payment I get is the satisfaction of knowing I have a decent copper pipe system behind my walls and not some noisy plastic small bore pipe system glued together.

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Old 11th Feb 2019, 18:11
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If I am 5 local before you that means I am further East than you
As I am also in the Midlands and also in the UK how come our time is different?
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 18:13
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Because that's where I was when the account was created and it's never been changed since. And I have no intention of changing it either. And I am not in the UK at the moment.
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 18:52
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Looks like it's started... https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47196636
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 18:59
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Because that's where I was when the account was created and it's never been changed since. And I have no intention of changing it either. And I am not in the UK at the moment.
Getting much work plumbing in Poland then?
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 19:12
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Getting much work plumbing in Poland then?
Probably, all their plumbers are over here
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 19:15
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Originally Posted by MFC_Fly View Post
That should help stave off the now inevitable recession, deal or no deal.
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 19:27
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That should help stave off the now inevitable recession, deal or no deal.
Yes indeed. No extra tax on our Rolex watches
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 19:29
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
behind my walls and not some noisy plastic small bore pipe system glued together.
Or in our case not glued together. The plasterer did a brilliant job replastering the kitchen ceiling. 😫
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 19:40
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​​​​​. Freedom of movement allows people to live & work in the EU 28. Any EU citizen can move to and remain in another EU country for up to three months.
I was aware that the major criteria was Work.

I have long held the view that we object to the EU spending some of our money in projects in our country that are not determined by our Parliament. We then don't display the EU boarding acknowledging their largess.

Then, while some departments enforce EU regulations to the letter others such as immigration are ineffective in enforcement. Where the EU works, we don't acknowledge. Where we can we moan.
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 19:54
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"It is 100 000 jobs in Germany in total, not in the car industry."

Have you ever lost your job (retrenched, whatever) and suddenly started shitting yourself about rent/mortgage, school-fees, medical-cover and food?
And wondering how long you could survive on your savings?

No, I thought not.....

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Old 11th Feb 2019, 20:56
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Originally Posted by MFC_Fly View Post
What should stop is (actual examples, not an attack on any particular individuals) Romanian Gypsies coming over to the UK and sitting on the high streets of many towns and cities playing their accordions or pick-pocketing tourists on Westminster Bridge.
EU migration law allows a country to expel an EU citizen if he/her has had 3 months of unemployment. That the UK has chosen not to employ this rule is entirely up to them - several other EU nations are doing so, and are regularly expelling e.g. Romanian gypsies. The UK is also entirely free to decide which non-EU citizens it wishes to grant access. That the UK has had very open doors is, again, a decision that rests entirely on the UK and has nothing to do with the EU. Other EU member states have much, much stricter rules which are well within what's allowed under EU regulations. The UK is also free to expel a lot more foreign criminals than they do, but cannot stomach the political backlash when a murderer is sent off back home after sentence serving. Other EU nations do this regularly, sometimes pushing the boundary of what the EU Human Charter (a document which was to a large part dominated by UK input) will allow.

In short, UK unscrupulous UK politicians, aided and abetted by large mass-media conglomerates, regularly accuses the EU for something which is actually under the full control of the UK. This is include most, if not all, of the pro-Brexit arguments.

It really would help in these discussions, if participants would bother making themselves acquainted with the facts of the matters at hand.
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 21:03
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EU migration law allows a country to expel an EU citizen if he/her has had 3 months of unemployment. That the UK has chosen not to employ this rule is entirely up to them - several other EU nations are doing so, and are regularly expelling e.g. Romanian gypsies. The UK is also entirely free to decide which non-EU citizens it wishes to grant access. That the UK has had very open doors is, again, a decision that rests entirely on the UK and has nothing to do with the EU. Other EU member states have much, much stricter rules which are well within what's allowed under EU regulations. The UK is also free to expel a lot more foreign criminals than they do, but cannot stomach the political backlash when a murderer is sent off back home after sentence serving. Other EU nations do this regularly, sometimes pushing the boundary of what the EU Human Charter (a document which was to a large part dominated by UK input) will allow.

In short, UK unscrupulous UK politicians, aided and abetted by large mass-media conglomerates, regularly accuses the EU for something which is actually under the full control of the UK. This is include most, if not all, of the pro-Brexit arguments.

It really would help in these discussions, if participants would bother making themselves acquainted with the facts of the matters at hand.
The problem is that we consider in not "British" to have and expect to present identity cards in return for social security, health care and the like. Personally I can't see the problem, but clearly there is one, as otherwise any sensible government would have gone ahead and done it. As it is, people arrive and they "disappear" making it hard to deport them if we wanted to. It's out own stupid fault, and a major contributor to the referendum result.
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 21:07
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This is the second time this evening this truth about FoM has been made. Once by me & now SMT member. I fully expect it to be ignored. Those on the other side of the argument are just not interested. Out, out, out. Facts are entirely immaterial to the terminally convinced.
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 21:37
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I realise that the figures coming in are considerably more than those that are sent back, but that applies to all countries, the figures are for 2017 :

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.u...s-from-the-uk/

It would appear Germany deported, or voluntarily left a total of 50,100 in 2017 compared with UK at 32,551, however it would appear Germany has a higher amount of immigrants than the UK. Obviously illegal immigrants are a problem for any country to document or control and Brexit won't make any difference to those statistics.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 06:44
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Its not Poland but another country which has been decimated of all its medics and trades people to the UK.

Funny enough the equivalent to a polish plumber here is an Ukrainian plumber. They get similar amounts of pee taken as the Poles do in the UK.


Or in our case not glued together. The plasterer did a brilliant job replastering the kitchen ceiling
They just don't want to do copper here and to be honest looking at the selection of fittings I am not surprised. You can't get direct compression valves you always have to get a valve with female BSP ends then buy two male to what ever pipes size compression fittings to go on the end. The valve is nearly double the UK valve cost and another 10 euro on top of that for the two connectors. As for York solder fittings never heard of them. The use of none return valves and balancing your pressures between hot and cold supply's also a strange concept.

They all seem to think its normal to have farting taps and deal with leaks every year in various places using crap 10mm plastic pipe.

Anyway that's 2 bar on the gauge this morning.

Electrics I think today.... no wet room regs here.....
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 07:45
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Electrics I think today.... no wet room regs here.....
Shocking.

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