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Old 11th Feb 2019, 14:40
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Forgotten I think is a bit of a fib.

He has no intention of letting the UK stay in the EU if he can help it. He just doesn't want it to look like it was his fault that the UK came out default exit.

About other 2 weeks until he starts playing for another GE I reckon.

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Old 11th Feb 2019, 15:24
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Virginblue, correct that France is the most productive in Europe but that is not a view that the French think will remain:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.t...utive-year/amp

The elephant in this case is the higher birthrate amongst Muslim immigrants compared with the indigenous population. This is both a cultural issue and a financial one. The latter where child allowances and benefits make many children a career option.
At the risk of stumbling into territory that could be construed racist, it is a sad fact that those at the bottom of the socioeconomic scale are the ones that breed more profusely. One could say that it's because they've idle and have more time on their hands, or more controversially, that in some paternalist sectors of society it is an unwritten rule that the woman is there solely as a breed machine and to satisfy the male of the species.

Bad news for all developed economies is that those with the brain and money, who are not net receivers of social benefits are too busy working, making money and (selfishly) enjoying their lifestyle to pass their intelligence genes on to the next generation. That doesn't bode well for the future.
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 15:34
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
At the risk of stumbling into territory that could be construed racist, it is a sad fact that those at the bottom of the socioeconomic scale are the ones that breed more profusely. One could say that it's because they've idle and have more time on their hands, or more controversially, that in some paternalist sectors of society it is an unwritten rule that the woman is there solely as a breed machine and to satisfy the male of the species.

Bad news for all developed economies is that those with the brain and money, who are not net receivers of social benefits are too busy working, making money and (selfishly) enjoying their lifestyle to pass their intelligence genes on to the next generation. That doesn't bode well for the future.
Actually, you could say the same about those at the top of the socioeconomic scale.......

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Old 11th Feb 2019, 16:02
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Sitting idle and having too much time on the hands also applies to us JetBlasters, so we are entering difficult territory now.... Apparently we draw different conclusion what to do with that time...

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Old 11th Feb 2019, 16:34
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Speak for your self. I started plumbing this morning at 7am and finished at 5pm local. Hands in bits from cutting pipe, soldering and compression fittings. And a bit of white finger from drilling through concrete floors.

Left 2 bar in it when I left, fingers crossed it's 2 bar when I start again tomorrow.
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 16:37
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Actually, you could say the same about those at the top of the socioeconomic scale.......
JR-M comes to mind perhaps?
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 16:42
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
We'll be able to keep them out, just like all the non-EU immigrants who we have been able to keep out in the past but have failed to do so.
My understanding of the argument is that it has nothing to do with keeping 'them out', it is more about allowing in those we choose to allow in, for whatever reason (family, skills, filling a particular job, etc). You know, like nearly every country in the world does.

What should stop is (actual examples, not an attack on any particular individuals) Romanian Gypsies coming over to the UK and sitting on the high streets of many towns and cities playing their accordions or pick-pocketing tourists on Westminster Bridge.
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 16:54
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I started plumbing this morning at 7am and finished at 5pm local
My watch says its not yet 5pm. Are you in a different time zone up North?
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 17:06
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Originally Posted by MFC_Fly View Post
My understanding of the argument is that it has nothing to do with keeping 'them out', it is more about allowing in those we choose to allow in, for whatever reason (family, skills, filling a particular job, etc).
That's exactly it. Personally I'm very happy for EU citizens to continue coming here to work, and I don't see why our leaving the EU should change that. I'm confident that as long as there is work available, and that we make it as easy as possible for them to take up that work, then there shouldn't be a problem.

Sally Ann makes a valid comment about immigration from outside the EU. It remains to be seen whether being free of the ECJ and the Right To A Family Life laws makes it any easier to deport illegals.
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 17:10
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If I am 5 local before you that means I am further East than you.
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 17:33
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Originally Posted by Andy_S View Post
That's exactly it. Personally I'm very happy for EU citizens to continue coming here to work, and I don't see why our leaving the EU should change that. I'm confident that as long as there is work available, and that we make it as easy as possible for them to take up that work, then there shouldn't be a problem.

Sally Ann makes a valid comment about immigration from outside the EU. It remains to be seen whether being free of the ECJ and the Right To A Family Life laws makes it any easier to deport illegals.
That's the problem though. If you voted leave to stop a free for all from Europe, then you haven't grasped how the system works & how it's applied in practice by the UK. Freedom of movement allows people to live & work in the EU 28. Any EU citizen can move to and remain in another EU country for up to three months. EU citizens who are students may remain for the duration of their studies, but must show that they have sufficient financial support for their period of study. Other EU citizens who wish to stay longer than three months must have comprehensive sickness insurance and prove that they have financial resources to support themselves If you have an issue with Romanian pikeys shoplifting their way round London, then whose fault is that? The EU or the government failing to enforce the rules?

I'm not suggesting this is your thought process, but I am suggesting it's how the debate was framed & millions believed it.
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 17:52
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
If I am 5 local before you that means I am further East than you.
That's a relief - perish the thought that you might have been fiddling your timesheet.
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 18:05
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Caution 1 ! contains references to UK domestic politics with no mention of Brexit !

Finally, an astute politician surfaces in the Tory ranks !......erm, not really, it's just that Amber has, finally, understood there may just be a correlation between Gov't policy and destitution for many innocent people and families.

Anyway, well done Amber !...gold (designer, obviously, ) star for you !...who knows, could even be a PM in waiting !

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...er-rudd-admits

Caution 2 ! does contain references to Brexit plus flights of fancy....so aviation content as well.

Gav "shut up and go away " has decided the era of drivers of HM FJ's is now over....sorry to break this bad news to those on here who formerly were...counselling may be available ( subject to M.o.D funding and procurement of such services once the feasibility studies are completed ) and the RAF will now be operating lots of little drones instead.

Also, nothing like going the whole hog when it comes to wooing the nostalgia / leave fraternity, he 's sending a gunboat to China !..well ok, it's possibly a bit heavier and better equipped than the original gunboats, but, it will show our "lethality " to the Chinese what !...actually, he sounds very reminiscent of Churchill...he was a warmonger as we know.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...vin-williamson

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Old 11th Feb 2019, 18:10
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Only payment I get is the satisfaction of knowing I have a decent copper pipe system behind my walls and not some noisy plastic small bore pipe system glued together.

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Old 11th Feb 2019, 18:11
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If I am 5 local before you that means I am further East than you
As I am also in the Midlands and also in the UK how come our time is different?
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 18:13
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Because that's where I was when the account was created and it's never been changed since. And I have no intention of changing it either. And I am not in the UK at the moment.
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 18:52
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Looks like it's started... https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47196636
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 18:59
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Because that's where I was when the account was created and it's never been changed since. And I have no intention of changing it either. And I am not in the UK at the moment.
Getting much work plumbing in Poland then?
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 19:12
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Getting much work plumbing in Poland then?
Probably, all their plumbers are over here
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 19:15
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Originally Posted by MFC_Fly View Post
That should help stave off the now inevitable recession, deal or no deal.
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