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Old 11th Feb 2019, 11:44
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Which only points up the problem of lies and statistics;

An influential economic research centre has warned that 100,000 jobs could be put at risk in Germany if the UK leaves the EU without securing a deal.

The study by the Halle Institute for Economic Research found that jobs in the car industry would be particularly vulnerable to the uncertainties created by Britain tumbling out of the EU without securing a favourable trading relationship.

Export giant Germany sold 770,000 vehicles to the UK in 2017 and 15,000 jobs in its automobile sector are reliant on this huge level of trade.

The study estimates that Wolfsburg, hometown of Volkswagen, would be hit hardest by a collapse in exports that would result from a no-deal exit.
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 11:51
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Strange isn't it?
We've been told all along that Brexit, of any variety, won't stop us trading with Europe.
And now we're told that Brexit is going to hurt Germany (but not, apparently, the UK).

While we of course are in a good position to start Brexit: or are we?
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 11:55
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Virginblue, correct that France is the most productive in Europe but that is not a view that the French think will remain:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.t...utive-year/amp

The elephant in this case is the higher birthrate amongst Muslim immigrants compared with the indigenous population. This is both a cultural issue and a financial one. The latter where child allowances and benefits make many children a career option.
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 12:19
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France still has the highest birth rate in Europe and this will remain so for the foreseeable future as decline is the norm, not the exception.

The elephant in this case is the higher birthrate amongst Muslim immigrants compared with the indigenous population. This is both a cultural issue and a financial one. The latter where child allowances and benefits make many children a career option.
That is not an elephant. It is the same in Germany or the UK. Birth rates among minorities are everywhere higher than among the inbreds. If it were different, the population - without further immigration - would be shrinking even faster.

Point of the matter is: Does the UK need more or less childbirths by foreign mothers and more or less immigration to maintain its population and, even more important, to maintain its workforce so that the ever growing denture brigade can be fed, wiped and put to bed after a day of jubilation about living in a foreigner-free land of milk and honey that outperforms the rest of the world economically.
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 12:21
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It's an elephant if you don't like Muslims, obvs.

Still not UK politics or of any relevancy to anything here.
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 12:22
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VB, you swerved. The elephant is Muslim immigrants.

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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
It's an elephant if you don't like Muslims, obvs.

Still not UK politics or of any relevancy to anything here.
You too.

The indigenous population is anti-immigration largely because of that imbalance in birthrates.
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 12:31
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I love it when people say indigenous population as if that actually means something. Odd how often it comes from people misty eyed for the empire, pink maps & a sun that never sets.
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 12:39
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
I love it when people say indigenous population as if that actually means something. Odd how often it comes from people misty eyed for the empire, pink maps & a sun that never sets.
Why? While you may live it, it ignores the fact that many do not want to be submerged by foreign cultures.

How would you have it said? I know we are generally a polyglot population but indigenous or native have specific meanings.
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 12:50
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This is a country of mongrels. Always was, always will be, as far back as you care to look. There is no such thing as an indigenous population. We have been shaped & improved by successive waves of immigration from the Jewish immigrants who founded Marks & Spencer to the Bangladeshis who gave us Chicken Tikka Masala. Why not at least have the courage of your convictions when it comes to brown people? Indigenous my arse.
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 12:58
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The indigenous population is anti-immigration largely because of that imbalance in birthrates.
Does the indigenous population also understand that a workforce must be in place that earns taxes that pay for the NHS, pensions, public infrastructure etc.?

A population needs a birth rate of 2.1 in order to not shrink. That birth rate was last achieved in the UK in the early 1970s. Despite the outrageous imbalance in birth rates, the birth rate is now down to less than 1.8. Imagine how it would be without that imbalance. There are only three options for the UK to maintain its workforce:

1. Even more childbirths by foreigners.
2. Even more immigration by foreigners
3. Stimulating the "indigenous" to procreate more often / more effectively.

If none of the above can be guaranteed by Camp Brexit, I will be interested to hear how the demographic challenge can be mastered. Or is this something Camp Brexit is not interested in as they mostly belong to the older generation that will not face the full consequences in their relatively short remaining lifetime?


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Have you actually read the article? It is 100 000 jobs in Germany in total, not in the car industry. There are 44,3m people in employment in Germany, so you are talking about 0,2 per cent of all jobs. That's a surprisingly low number, given that they need us more than we need them, isn't it? And it is quite negligible, given that there are eight times more job vacancies in Germany at the moment.
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 13:04
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And how will those numbers look anyway once the UK has regained control of its borders and those foreigners are finally kept out? Just askin'.
Who said anything about keeping them out?

The point is that post-Brexit we can decide who we need. They can't just turn up like they do now.

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Old 11th Feb 2019, 13:15
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VB, RTFQ. I was very specific quoting ONLY one figure of 15,000. ORAC chose to broaden that figure to 100,00 causing me to counter with the specific source referring to 15,000.
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 13:23
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That's why I replied to ORAC, not to you.

100 000 jobs lost in total thanks to Brexit. 0.2 per cent of all jobs in Germany.

They need us more than we need them, shalalala.
They need us more than we need them, shalalala.
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 13:27
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Who said anything about keeping them out?

The point is that post-Brexit we can decide who we need. They can't just turn up like they do now.
So who will be accepted? If Camp Brexit does not like people from the Middle East, Africa, Eastern Europe, people with a different faith, dark colour of skin, you name it, who remains? Do you think millions of French, Dutch and Swedes will make a beeline to leave the evil EU and beg to wipe backsides in hospitals, serve dinner plates, drive white vans and do the plumbing for the "indigenous" in the UK?
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 13:29
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So basically, Camp Remain can be as over emotional as camp Brexit......
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 13:42
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Originally Posted by virginblue View Post
That's why I replied to ORAC, not to you.

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ah, thank you.
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 13:52
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Originally Posted by Andy_S View Post
Who said anything about keeping them out?

The point is that post-Brexit we can decide who we need. They can't just turn up like they do now.
We'll be able to keep them out, just like all the non-EU immigrants who we have been able to keep out in the past but have failed to do so.
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 14:05
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Speaking as someone whose ancestry appears to have been with the Britons (the Ancient Britons, if you will), I would like to say:
"Bugger off! The lot of you"
On the other hand, "Come in. Make yourself at home, just be nice and behave yourselves".
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 14:16
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