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Old 7th Feb 2019, 19:54
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If by that you mean the backstop, I disagree. Itís entirely possible that a form of words can be agreed which achieves its aim without potentially trapping us in a ďworse than no-dealĒ forever. (Which should surely appal anyone wishing to avoid ďno dealĒ -not just Brexiteers). Weíll see.
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Old 7th Feb 2019, 21:48
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Whatever your views on Corbyn, with 49 days to go we finally get Corbynís views on Brexit terms. And theyíre straight from la la land: Letís see, remain in customs union....but he wants a say over future EU trade deals. On what planet?? Next: Retain the European arrest warrant-even though explicitly ruled out by EU. The manís a shambles and a disgrace.
You fell at the first - heís not proposing to stay in the E.U. internal customs union, but rather create a new customs union with itís own rules (Turkey already have this). Whether the E.U. would go for rules that the U.K. would want is a good question, but initial reaction in Brussels wasnít an immediate Ďnoní like May got when she suggested renegotiating the Withdrawl Agreement. Of the other 4, May has already proposed enshrining legal protection for U.K. workers rights to remain aligned with E.U. rights, so at least some of what Corbyn suggests could have legs.
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Old 7th Feb 2019, 22:11
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ďFell at the first.,Ē how so? I didnít take issue with the idea of customs union -in whatever form, rather his bonkers notion of the EU allowing a non-member to call the shots on their trade deals. That said, at least he has, at long last, come off his fence and expressed a position
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Old 7th Feb 2019, 22:23
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A bipartisan Bill is to go before Congress blocking the US from entering into a trade deal with the UK post Brexit if the UK violates the Good Friday Agreement by not protecting the status quo on the border.

https://www.newstalk.com/US-Congress...-UK-trade-deal
That's good. Because the 'backstop' (by imposing constitutional changes to the NI/UK relationship violates the Good Friday agreement).. Whereas junking the backstop doesn't unless one of the parties does impose a border, and the UK doesn't intend to.
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 01:49
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That's good. Because the 'backstop' (by imposing constitutional changes to the NI/UK relationship violates the Good Friday agreement).. Whereas junking the backstop doesn't unless one of the parties does impose a border, and the UK doesn't intend to.
But by leaving the customs union the UK is by necessity imposing a border. It is the UK instigating the breach of the Good Friday Agreement. The US was just as involved in the Good Friday Agreement as the UK and Irish Governments and are as entitled to get involved on this specific issue as either of the above governments. Thankfully Congress is focusing on something that has escaped the majority of those in Westminster....the inevitable resumption of republican and loyalist paramilitarism as a result if a hard Brexit.

My goodness what a mess.
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 05:07
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it never stopped truth be known.

And neither did the knee capping's drugs and prostitute rings.

Only a couple of things have changed since last time is Sept the 11th and the flow of weapons from across the pond.
The middle east isn't the great training ground it used to be either.

The alleged breaking of the GFA is just another excuse that the UK has to stay. It won't be the UK that imposes the border. And the smuggling will commence just as it was before.

And in 10-15 years time the demographics will have changed enough that there can be a referendum and Ireland can be whole again. Which I am very much in favour of along with my mates who also still have there paddy basher gloves still in the cupboard.
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 05:27
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Originally Posted by Una Due Tfc View Post
But by leaving the customs union the UK is by necessity imposing a border. It is the UK instigating the breach of the Good Friday Agreement. The US was just as involved in the Good Friday Agreement as the UK and Irish Governments and are as entitled to get involved on this specific issue as either of the above governments. Thankfully Congress is focusing on something that has escaped the majority of those in Westminster....the inevitable resumption of republican and loyalist paramilitarism as a result if a hard Brexit.

My goodness what a mess.

so who set that car bomb off by the children's nursery last week or so?????

Saying thst there will be a resupmtion of terrorism because of Brexit is a false flag because it has already being happening long long before any backstop was initiated..
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 05:42
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And to be honest changing anything because of terrorism threats means they have won. And just promotes that behaviour to get what they want.

Although to be honest I am fully in favour of a united Ireland, But I really wouldn't wish the Northern Irish on the rest of Ireland. They are going to have enough issues for the next few years without dumping integrating NI onto them.

Anyway most of the comments are made by people that have never lived there, have zero clue about the people (much like the EU politicians who at best have exposure to SE of England folk with the UK population) never mind carried a SLR/AR-18 over there.
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 06:55
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 07:55
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Ouch!!!!!

https://order-order.com/2019/02/08/s...time-audience/

Last night on Question Time from North Lanarkshire, an audience member took apart the SNPís hypocritical stance on Brexit and a second Scottish independence referendum.....

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Old 8th Feb 2019, 08:06
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Interesting ORAC...that exchange raised alarm bells in other places any chance that the BBC and Question Time were up to their old tricks again of pretending the audience is comprised of random members of the general public, or did the audience member disclose his own political background before entering into the debate?

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Old 8th Feb 2019, 08:10
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Originally Posted by Fitter2 View Post
That's good. Because the 'backstop' (by imposing constitutional changes to the NI/UK relationship violates the Good Friday agreement).. Whereas junking the backstop doesn't unless one of the parties does impose a border, and the UK doesn't intend to.
Lots to unpick here. First of all, what constitution? We have no codified constitution, just a series of treaties subject to periodic amendment as required by parliament. Secondly, arguing, as you have done a few times recently for no border, presumably if we don't reach a deal is wishful thinking. Merely repeating that neither the UK or Eire want one doesn't mean they won't be driven to erecting it. Thirdly, 'junking' the backstop even if that were a circle that could be squared when leaving the CU & SM is effectively a method of creating a backdoor into the EU's territory & that can't happen. Worth reminding people that the Northern Ireland border is the coast. Eire's & by extension, the EU's border with the UK is where it meets Northern Ireland.

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so who set that car bomb off by the children's nursery last week or so?????

Saying thst there will be a resupmtion of terrorism because of Brexit is a false flag because it has already being happening long long before any backstop was initiated..
I'm accustomed to ignoring you because you're a) stalky & b) the angriest wee Jock in town. However, this is worth a punt as I'm enjoying the frankly staggering naivety of thinking we're at peak uppity paddy right now. You either don't know what you're on about (likely) or are blessed with a very short memory of how things used to be. You also can't spell resumption but whatever.


Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post

Anyway most of the comments are made by people that have never lived there, have zero clue about the people (much like the EU politicians who at best have exposure to SE of England folk with the UK population) never mind carried a SLR/AR-18 over there.
This is the logical fallacy known as an appeal to authority. Effectively since you're implying you were under arms in Northern Ireland, then what you & ONLY you say must be true, unquestionable & why doesn't everyone else push off? It's another example of wholly egregious bullshit put about by the same faces with the same weak positions, who implicitly understand they're open to doubt & so try time & again to get their retaliation in first. Doubtless, you call this abuse, I call it pouring sunlight on your nonsense.
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 08:13
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Ouch!!!!!

https://order-order.com/2019/02/08/s...time-audience/

Last night on Question Time from North Lanarkshire, an audience member took apart the SNPís hypocritical stance on Brexit and a second Scottish independence referendum.....

https://youtu.be/_1P5oJ3b1bk
Turns out that lad is a flute band ukipper with form. Life comes at you fast, Orac.

https://wingsoverscotland.com/we-see-you/
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 08:40
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
Turns out that lad is a flute band ukipper with form. Life comes at you fast, Orac.

https://wingsoverscotland.com/we-see-you/
Doesn't make what he said in the clip posted by ORAC any less true though, does it? Tell us, what did the guy say in that clip that was wrong (apart from his piss-take on the price of oil)?

Yet again Para, you are attacking the player and not the ball!!!
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 08:42
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That bomb in Derry was set off by the IRA...or the Continuity IRA...Or the Provisional IRA....or the I Can’t Believe It’s Not The IRA........anyway they allege they did it as a warning against a hard border.

A United Ireland? Brexiteers voted out of the most prosperious economic zone in the world over (among other things) subsidising the EU by £10.5 billion a year. Westminster subsidises Northern Ireland by £13.5 billion every year. Northern Ireland is an economic wasteland. That’s your mess, you clean it up!
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 08:43
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
Lots to unpick here. First of all, what constitution? We have no codified constitution, just a series of treaties subject to periodic amendment as required by parliament. Secondly, arguing, as you have done a few times recently for no border, presumably if we don't reach a deal is wishful thinking. Merely repeating that neither the UK or Eire want one doesn't mean they won't be driven to erecting it. Thirdly, 'junking' the backstop even if that were a circle that could be squared when leaving the CU & SM is effectively a method of creating a backdoor into the EU's territory & that can't happen. Worth reminding people that the Northern Ireland border is the coast. Eire's & by extension, the EU's border with the UK is where it meets Northern Ireland.



I'm accustomed to ignoring you because you're a) stalky & b) the angriest wee Jock in town. However, this is worth a punt as I'm enjoying the frankly staggering naivety of thinking we're at peak uppity paddy right now. You either don't know what you're on about (likely) or are blessed with a very short memory of how things used to be. You also can't spell resumption but whatever.



This is the logical fallacy known as an appeal to authority. Effectively since you're implying you were under arms in Northern Ireland, then what you & ONLY you say must be true, unquestionable & why doesn't everyone else push off? It's another example of wholly egregious bullshit put about by the same faces with the same weak positions, who implicitly understand they're open to doubt & so try time & again to get their retaliation in first. Doubtless, you call this abuse, I call it pouring sunlight on your nonsense.
Thank Christ you have absolutely no position of authority in anything or anywhere.
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 08:44
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Originally Posted by Una Due Tfc View Post
That bomb in Derry was set off by the IRA...or the Continuity IRA...Or the Provisional IRA....or the I Canít Believe Itís Not The IRA........anyway they allege they did it as a warning against a hard border.

A United Ireland? Brexiteers voted out of the most prosperious economic zone in the world over (among other things) subsidising the EU by £10.5 billion a year. Westminster subsidises Northern Ireland by £13.5 billion every year. Northern Ireland is an economic wasteland. Thatís your mess, you clean it up!
Location noted!
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 08:45
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Originally Posted by MFC_Fly View Post
Doesn't make what he said in the clip posted by ORAC any less true though, does it? Tell us, what did the guy say in that clip that was wrong (apart from his piss-take on the price of oil)?

Yet again Para, you are attacking the player and not the ball!!!
As always. No coherent arguments just trolling along..
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 08:54
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Originally Posted by weemonkey View Post
As always. No coherent arguments just trolling along..
Who was that comment aimed at? Para, me or yourself?
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 08:55
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Originally Posted by MFC_Fly View Post
Doesn't make what he said in the clip posted by ORAC any less true though, does it? Tell us, what did the guy say in that clip that was wrong (apart from his piss-take on the price of oil)?
I couldn't give a toss about the NATS or the orange men of Motherwell for that matter. I'm pointing out that the guy in that clip is plant & that this is a very good example of how political debate is hijacked & subverted.
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