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Old 29th Jan 2019, 16:33
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Kelvin D,

We may choose NOT to impose tariffs, but then how on earth do you negotiate a trade deal with that country that you have just unilaterally lowered tariffs on? And the UK Export trade will still be entirely dependant upon WTO Tariffs if we exit with no deal as we have no control over those tariffs whatsoever. The world outside the EU is as full of competitors as it is full of potential customers, and with so much of our manufacturing, utilities and other businesses being owned by EU and third country companies and Governments, we will be in a right pickle when it comes to having any influence over these organisations.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 16:38
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
You do realise I've worked in logistics & supply chain since 1988?
A DPD delivery van driver hardly counts

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Old 29th Jan 2019, 16:53
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They will be getting that regardless of what terms the UK leaves on.
If you google, what you say is far from certain in the event of a no deal Brexit. Googling ‘no Brexit divorce bill’ brings up a range of opinions - from ‘yes’ to ‘no’ to ‘something’. Who is right may come down to international lawyers!
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 17:05
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Originally Posted by MFC_Fly View Post
A DPD delivery van driver hardly counts
Well, you're always free to give your opinions, just leave them with the neighbour.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 17:24
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
Well, you're always free to give your opinions, just leave them with the neighbour.
Where's the 'like' button?
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 19:04
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Grieve and Cooper amendments both defeated. No majority around any choice other than the one on the table. Pending the EU agreeing a change to the backstop, or any major developments or votes in the next 2 weeks - Brexit happens on 29th March.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 19:10
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Well I never.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 19:24
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Where's the 'like' button?
Same place as Grieve and Coopers amendments ..Muhahaha
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 19:46
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Grieve and Cooper amendments both defeated. No majority around any choice other than the one on the table. Pending the EU agreeing a change to the backstop, or any major developments or votes in the next 2 weeks - Brexit happens on 29th March.
It happens anyway, it's written into law. The only question is whether the EU decides to back itself or us, Unicornland beckons.


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The mistake is in believing we have any leverage. We have no leverage.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 19:54
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It happens anyway, it's written into law. The only question is whether the EU decides to back itself or us, Unicornland beckons.
Such negativity has got May to exactly this position.

"Hand salute" indeed.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 20:01
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Such negativity has got May to exactly this position.

"Hand salute" indeed.
Tusk: "Withdrawal agreement is and remains best & only way to ensure orderly withdrawal of UK from EU. The backstop is part of the withdrawal agreement, and the withdrawal agreement is not open for re-negotiation."

Hand salute that.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 20:03
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https://www.ucl.ac.uk/european-insti...l_22012019.pdf

The above is a link to a speech last Friday by Sir Ivan Rogers who was the UK’s permanent representative to the EU until 2017. He resigned over the govenrmment’s muddled thinking. Read the link if you want to understand how negotiations will go with the EU. Also read for a very good summary of how we got to where we are in terms of negotiations, and exactly why triggering Artical 50 when we did was a major mistake. It is rather sobering reading.
For those Leavers who would say he is an establishment patsy he is on record as not being in favour of another referendum
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 20:28
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A good nights work..

Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
Tusk: "Withdrawal agreement is and remains best & only way to ensure orderly withdrawal of UK from EU. The backstop is part of the withdrawal agreement, and the withdrawal agreement is not open for re-negotiation."

Hand salute that.
Get smart!
So, we go to 29 March with No Deal ...... THEN we are in real negotiations with the EU. Its all to play for on both sides. Simple. Lets just get there and and get at it. No advantage at all to delay and waste time.
Our politicians can finally do some good and start giving scary sound-bites for the European news to relay to the German, Dutch, Frence population about the way the EU negotiators risking their jobs ... start throwing the propaganda hard and fast across the channel...





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Old 29th Jan 2019, 20:39
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Not sure what Sir Ivan means when he says
"because WTO terms are so unpalatable and the damage from going there so asymmetrical-much worse for the UK than the EU" That needs challenging!. And wasn't he the chap that while at dinner with his EU chums said "oh don't go for 20bn for the divorce settlement the UK could easily afford 40bn?
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 20:46
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ste time.
Our politicians can finally do some good and start giving scary sound-bites for the European news to relay to the German, Dutch, Frence population about the way the EU negotiators risking their jobs ..
Funilly enough our local lunchtime French news did one of it’s rare Brexit stories earlier today,...a bit of a light hearted piece about a British entrepreneur in the U.K. selling Brexit survival kits, and also a short but more serious piece reminding everybody of a certain U.K. politicians un-diplomatic language in response to a comment made by the current Airbus CEO, and then went on very briefly to mention Airbus’s potential plans for moving jobs from the U.K. to the likes of Toulouse if the U.K. crashes out. I am sure that really had the local workers and members of the CGT shaking in their boots....was that the sort of “scary sound-bite” for the “European News” you were thinking of, or have I got the wrong end of the stick?








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Old 29th Jan 2019, 20:47
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Originally Posted by weemonkey View Post
Get smart!
So, we go to 29 March with No Deal ...... THEN we are in real negotiations with the EU. Its all to play for on both sides. Simple. Lets just get there and and get at it. No advantage at all to delay and waste time.
Our politicians can finally do some good and start giving scary sound-bites for the European news to relay to the German, Dutch, Frence population about the way the EU negotiators risking their jobs ... start throwing the propaganda hard and fast across the channel...
British politicians giving scary sound bites to the EU? Maybe it is time to open your eyes and see that the current British politicians can’t even organise a piss up in a brewery let alone send scary sound bites across the channel.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 20:55
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Originally Posted by weemonkey View Post
Get smart!
So, we go to 29 March with No Deal ...... THEN we are in real negotiations with the EU. Its all to play for on both sides. Simple. Lets just get there and and get at it. No advantage at all to delay and waste time.
Our politicians can finally do some good and start giving scary sound-bites for the European news to relay to the German, Dutch, Frence population about the way the EU negotiators risking their jobs ... start throwing the propaganda hard and fast across the channel...
Remarkable to witness the rare double feat of failing to grasp what just happened & still stay completely deluded on the future.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 20:59
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One for the grandkids..

Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
Remarkable to witness the rare double feat of failing to grasp what just happened & still stay completely deluded on the future.

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Old 29th Jan 2019, 21:00
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
Remarkable to witness the rare double feat of failing to grasp what just happened & still stay completely deluded on the future.
Putting it in bold may impress his school chums but just doesn't do anything here.
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