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Old 29th Jan 2019, 07:06
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Originally Posted by Mr Optimistic View Post
Isn't the problem, simply put, that a 52% majority shouldn't force it's opinion on a 48 % minority?
Naughty boy.

Perhaps we need a referendum to decide what constitutes a majority.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 07:12
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Not often politicians encounter reality, but today will be one of those rare meetings.
No sympathy for her in case anybody was thinking of asking......even if she is ( as I write that is ) a Labour MP.

Far more interesting to watch what, and whom, gets trotted out to enthral the local electorate with assurances and promises if there's the expected by election.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ark-byelection
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 07:21
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Originally Posted by weemonkey View Post
Usual bitter tirade, so much negativity! perhaps having less will actually be a good thing after all McD were one of the signatories as well, whilst Tesco were NOT. Quoted from bbc radio news btw.

https://www.diabetes.org.uk/professi...rts/statistics

https://www.theguardian.com/theobser...and-investment
I hate to use the word, but please don't be so stupid!

Most of the stuff that is likely not to be on the shelves is non processed, fresh food - vegetable, fruit, meat and the like. Fortunately, for Wayne and Wayetta Slob, there's be no shortage of crisps, fizzy drinks, chocolate and the like.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 07:26
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The mature view would be recognition that 52/48 is an insufficiently narrow margin on a poorly designed plebiscite to set the country on a radical new course, more so when you take into account electoral participation &. Sadly, we have seen irrational commitment to it in the face of empirical evidence of lasting damage, reputational impairment and a disregard of the wishes of just under half the electorate. People like me are here complaining daily because the mandate is illusory & worse, the future flowing from it is plainly appalling,
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 07:26
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Originally Posted by MFC_Fly View Post
What are you on about? Talk about "something you can't quite articulate".

If you manufacture a whole unit with some component parts from Asia, that need to be shipped to you by sea, and component parts from a factory next door to your own, do you allow the same lead time for them? No, of course you don't. You know roughly how long it will take for the parts to be delivered and you factor that in when ordering, so that they arrive at your factory as near as possible to the time you need them. Any possible delays importing from the EU can similarly be handled by a competent supply chain manager by ensuring the components are ordered that bit earlier. It may take a short period of time to establish what, if any, delays are imposed, but this can easily be buffered for for that short period.
Components that come from far off lands, or from outside the sungle market are allocated a longer transit time, and bigger buffer stocks to allow for the "cock up factor". However most components of British assembled vehicles come from closer to home, some from the UK itself, more from the rest of the EU, and there are other suppliers in paces like Turkey, which, as they are outside the EU, already cause headaches for automotive manufacturers.

You can't just magic up additional storage capacity for parts just because the UK has made a daft, and rather perverse decision.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 07:45
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Looking increasingly likely that JC is preparing to throw Yvette and her amendment under the bus....

Incredible hypocrisy considering her own constituents voted Leave 70/30 !

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Old 29th Jan 2019, 07:47
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The consequences of most UK general elections lead to a disregard of the wishes of just under half the electorate.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 07:59
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
You do realise I've worked in logistics & supply chain since 1988? You therefore will forgive me for pointing out that practically everything in your last post is a shuddering foghorn of ignorance.

You can stick McGyver in the hot seat for all I care, it makes no difference at all if your truck full of falangees is stuck in a ten mile queue at Calais. If your solution to that is to build a new warehouse to take account of your recklessness at the ballot box, then it is no longer JIT manufacturing. It's just manufacturing that is now a lot more expensive than it used to be. And that, PN, is why words are easy to type - rattle off some old rubbish about a new world of logistics, Are you willing to pay for it?

And if so, how much?
personally I could live without Iceberg lettuce for a few months a year. When I told my pet tortoise though he was pretty gutted. When I then explained to him about the many other advantages of brexit (for tortoises) he came round a bit. He's particularly excited about greater free trade opportunities with Central Asian countries, and thinks that a bi-lateral trade agreement with Kazakhstan would be mutually beneficial. I warned him to temper his expectations as any such deal could be a while away but reassured him that, in the meantime, I was staking out the Icebergs in our local Morrisons.

Despite some reservations, mainly about my plan for stockpiling Icebergs, he agreed that we just need to get on with things and respect the result of a democratic mandate.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 08:07
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personally I could live without Iceberg lettuce for a few months a year. When I told my pet tortoise though he was pretty gutted. When I then explained to him about the many other advantages of brexit (for tortoises) he came round a bit. He's particularly excited about greater free trade opportunities with Central Asian countries, and thinks that a bi-lateral trade agreement with Kazakhstan would be mutually beneficial. I warned him to temper his expectations as any such deal could be a while away but reassured him that, in the meantime, I was staking out the Icebergs in our local Morrisons.

Despite some reservations, mainly about my plan for stockpiling Icebergs, he agreed that we just need to get on with things and respect the result of a democratic mandate.
6/10 Would read again.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 08:11
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Originally Posted by Barksdale Boy View Post
The consequences of most UK general elections lead to a disregard of the wishes of just under half the electorate.
True. The option to reverse direction comes around every five years or sooner.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 08:14
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Originally Posted by andrewn View Post
personally I could live without Iceberg lettuce for a few months a year. When I told my pet tortoise though he was pretty gutted. When I then explained to him about the many other advantages of brexit (for tortoises) he came round a bit. He's particularly excited about greater free trade opportunities with Central Asian countries, and thinks that a bi-lateral trade agreement with Kazakhstan would be mutually beneficial. I warned him to temper his expectations as any such deal could be a while away but reassured him that, in the meantime, I was staking out the Icebergs in our local Morrisons.

Despite some reservations, mainly about my plan for stockpiling Icebergs, he agreed that we just need to get on with things and respect the result of a democratic mandate.
Answering practical experience and common sense with a fairy story?

That'll be Brexit.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 08:17
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
6/10 Would read again.
feel free to re-read as many times as you like, glad you enjoyed it that much!
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 08:20
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Answering practical experience and common sense with a fairy story?

That'll be Brexit.
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but I'm just having a bit of a laugh. The real fairy story is people like Yvette Cooper whom are trying to frustrate brexit, in direct contradiction to the wishes of the people whom elected her. Think about that one for a minute, and consider the impact on democracy if this were to be passed?
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 08:44
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Originally Posted by andrewn View Post
but I'm just having a bit of a laugh. The real fairy story is people like Yvette Cooper whom are trying to frustrate brexit, in direct contradiction to the wishes of the people whom elected her. Think about that one for a minute, and consider the impact on democracy if this were to be passed?
A glimpse behind the curtain. Would definitely be a laugh if your fears were realised. And who knows? Plainly parliament has no appetite for no deal & not much for May's. I guess you, like most leavers barrel through life unencumbered by knowledge & expertise since every time someone who rolls up with actual experience of something this farce will damage in real life & points it out, it represents a direct challenge to your land of Narnia & unicorns.

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Old 29th Jan 2019, 08:47
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Originally Posted by andrewn View Post
but I'm just having a bit of a laugh. The real fairy story is people like Yvette Cooper whom are trying to frustrate brexit, in direct contradiction to the wishes of the people whom elected her. Think about that one for a minute, and consider the impact on democracy if this were to be passed?
She's trying to do no such thing. She understands that leaving without a deal is untenable, unless of course you're a tortoise! Since HMG can't get it's act together she is trying to make sure someone does. Sadly, Comrade Corbyn appears to sit roughly in the same camp as J-RM.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 09:06
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Project Fear moves into overdrive




symbolic huh....
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 09:10
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Originally Posted by andrewn View Post
but I'm just having a bit of a laugh. The real fairy story is people like Yvette Cooper whom are trying to frustrate brexit, in direct contradiction to the wishes of the people whom elected her. Think about that one for a minute, and consider the impact on democracy if this were to be passed?
But it's not just her is it. The whole of parliament are divided over a spectrum between exit without a deal, and staying in. Somewhere in the middle is May's imperfect sort-of-deal.
650 MPs have 650 ideas of Brexit, and they refuse to agree on it. It's just that some like YC are making more noise than others.

The wishes of the people (nearly three years ago) were for Britain to leave the EU. They weren't consulted on what sort of relationship they wanted after leaving, although Boris did promise a free trade deal.

And now we have this disgraceful mess where nobody knows what is going to be happening at the end of March.
Welcome to All Fools' Day.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 09:11
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
The mature view would be recognition that 52/48 is an insufficiently narrow margin on a poorly designed plebiscite to set the country on a radical new course, more so when you take into account electoral participation &. Sadly, we have seen irrational commitment to it in the face of empirical evidence of lasting damage, reputational impairment and a disregard of the wishes of just under half the electorate. People like me are here complaining daily because the mandate is illusory & worse, the future flowing from it is plainly appalling,
I've previously suggested allowing a second referendum, but in order to respect the result of the 2016 result any new referendum (to overturn 'leaving') would have to be 60%+1, how does that stand with you?
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 09:17
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
The wishes of the people (nearly three years ago) were for Britain to leave the UK.
Well with the current crop of clowns in Westminster I reckon some of them would even vote for that


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Old 29th Jan 2019, 09:19
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph View Post
I've previously suggested allowing a second referendum, but in order to respect the result of the 2016 result any new referendum (to overturn 'leaving') would have to be 60%+1, how does that stand with you?
A second referendum won't happen simply because the terms and conditions would never be agreed, before it could even be put to the electorate.
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