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Old 26th Jan 2019, 22:47
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honestly I would like to hear the theory's on the below. We hear a lot about the UK exits plans but what about the stay plans? I really see even less chance of them succeeding than the utterly stupid and unfeasible leave plans. It was always going to be a default exit in my book.

Have any of you remianers got a plan how the UK is going to fit into the EU now that the last 2 years have gone past?

How the parliament is going to cope with a member that's done vast amounts of damage to the other members?

One which everyone knows at the slightest controversial rule change towards super state is going to return back to political turmoil.

And is the key pin with its import market for most if not all trade deals that have been done so far and likelihood will be all trade deals so far may be cancel due to the balance being change since ratification of said deals if the UK leaves.
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Old 26th Jan 2019, 22:53
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Tescoapp - time to put the cork back in your third bottle of wine and go to bed, before you get even more excited than you are already.
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Old 26th Jan 2019, 23:06
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No wine I am afraid stuck in a FBO in a manky seat waiting for the red eye return. Catering on, 4 tons of fuel and the bog serviced. Give it another hour and I will get the active frost de-iced.

Oh was it meant to be another condescending diversion away from the question type reply because apart from abusing the poster there is no answer?
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Old 27th Jan 2019, 02:11
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Relocating a business away from the UK to some other country takes a fair bit of planning, time and money. With two months to go until Brexit any company planning on making a move should already be in the final stages of completing their move.

The thing is, that after Brexit, the UK will be free to set whatever conditions they like for business and trade, including government subsidy, tax breaks, preferential licensing, and back handers, without EU interference. We make the rules and under those circumstances there may well be thousands of businesses wishing to relocate or return to the UK.

Given the potential opportunities on offer, a no deal Brexit seems the only sensible option which is probably why it was enshrined in law as the default. Perhaps some of our politicians are not quite as stupid as we thought?

With the potential for huge foreign investment coming to the UK after a no deal Brexit, the governing party will have huge opportunities to butter up the electorate before the next General Election. That I suspect is at the root of all the shenanigans presently taking place in Westminster. As ever, they are fighting over money and who will get the lion's share!

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Old 27th Jan 2019, 07:05
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Old 27th Jan 2019, 07:06
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Unlikely to ever be elevated to "national treasure " status, here's Treeza's more definitive obit.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ng-act-cartoon

Meanwhile, more scaremongering and completely groundless concerns......after all, what would these business's know about their sector, future plans and operations.

We await our International Macronomics Affairs correspondent's incisive analysis ....as to why they are all totally wrong.
Just wondering if he made a cameo appearance at Davos however....you never know.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...exodus-no-deal

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Old 27th Jan 2019, 07:20
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Originally Posted by wowzz View Post
Tescoapp - time to put the cork back in your third bottle of wine and go to bed, before you get even more excited than you are already.
I remember my first drink. .

I'm trying to say this kindly, but it's difficult to do so. Those of us on the opposite side of the debate aren't out to humiliate you, I'm afraid - in a literal sense - that between the various rabbit holes you're diving down & demanding answers to imaginary questions, you're doing it to yourself. Eleven posts in one evening almost without reply suggests an unhealthy imbalance somewhere, You need to learn how to win without giving the appearance that you lost.
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Old 27th Jan 2019, 07:33
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the Uk population has never really joined in with the whole EU experiment. Which is the main reason why I think it should never have been allowed in
De Gaulle probably called it right. We joined with hope and 67% of the voters didn't whinge GTW.

TA, regardless of the numbers voting to join I think you are right and there was a reluctance to engage. Had we engaged we would have embraced metric. Instead we bastardise.

The nautical mile went metric. Building materials went metric with 4x8 becoming 1.2x2.4 etc. Just had some posts installed 1.8 posts in a 2 ft hole and 6 inches higher than the fence which was 3.6 m. The chap doing it was about 45.

Had we truly gone metric, roads and cars properly metric instead of a 1.5 kg car with 220bhp from a 1.8 l engine that achieves 45 mpg and a top speed of 125 mph then we might have been better engaged.
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Old 27th Jan 2019, 08:30
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
honestly I would like to hear the theory's on the below. We hear a lot about the UK exits plans but what about the stay plans?
Um, we just go back to real life? One change we would need to make is a quick one sentence bill to change the local election date to match the Euro election date, but that's routine as it's what usually happens.

There's a cost, of course, as plenty of companies, jobs, agencies etc have already gone, and quite likely won't come back. But that's a sunk cost whatever happens, there's nothing we can do about it.
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Old 27th Jan 2019, 09:17
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As per the Daily Mail

Whitehall officials have been 'war-gaming' imposing martial law to avoid chaos on the streets after a no-deal Brexit, it was claimed today
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Hear hear.
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Old 27th Jan 2019, 09:27
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Whitehall officials have been 'war-gaming' imposing martial law to avoid chaos on the streets after a no-deal Brexit, it was claimed today
Voice of the people?

...One minute some in the U.K., including some upthread and some in the MSM are pointing fingers at the CRS being on the streets of some major French cities (FWIW when I saw some in town yesterday they looked bored stiff) and saying, “look at the terrible things happening in Europe”....and now we have applause for U.K. government gaming and perhaps proposing the same....

Hopefully since it is being “war” gamed when the results are in those with any sense will wake up and realise what a ***** stupid idea “no deal” really is.
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Old 27th Jan 2019, 09:38
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
Well done sally mockery trying to divert away, when you haven't got a response.
What mockery? I made a serious point that the battle is over. You're on the winning side. You won back in 2016 and nothing has changed since. Congratulations!

To keep pounding away all night is unnecessary and just makes it look as if you are trying to convince yourself.

As someone said a while ago, "You won. Get over it."




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Old 27th Jan 2019, 09:59
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Tescoapp

De Gaulle probably called it right. We joined with hope and 67% of the voters didn't whinge GTW.

TA, regardless of the numbers voting to join I think you are right and there was a reluctance to engage. Had we engaged we would have embraced metric. Instead we bastardise.

The nautical mile went metric. Building materials went metric with 4x8 becoming 1.2x2.4 etc. Just had some posts installed 1.8 posts in a 2 ft hole and 6 inches higher than the fence which was 3.6 m. The chap doing it was about 45.

Had we truly gone metric, roads and cars properly metric instead of a 1.5 kg car with 220bhp from a 1.8 l engine that achieves 45 mpg and a top speed of 125 mph then we might have been better engaged.
I think you're right, the UK has always thought of itself as living in some sort of bubble, where it didn't / doesn't have to cooperate with anyone unless it's on the UK's terms. That's why some sections of the public are so outraged that the EU has red lines, just fewer than the UK ones. And they've even fudged the odd one or two of theirs.

Our history, the Empire and "winning" two world wars hasn't helped in current negotiations. It might have gone better is our superiority complex had taken a knock at some stage.
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Old 27th Jan 2019, 10:21
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Two words for Tesco. Pyhrric Victory.
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Old 27th Jan 2019, 10:25
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
Two words for Tesco. Pyhrric Victory.
Or Pyrrhic, even.

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Old 27th Jan 2019, 10:27
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Originally Posted by Buster15 View Post
Quite agree with him.
The Brexit divisions will play themselves out.

But. The disproportionate division of wealth will carry on increasing to the benefit of the top few percent such that Brexit will be seen as a sideshow.
but isn't it absolutely marvellous being charged the same rate everywhere.

next unify company and personal taxation. Hip Hurrah x3


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Old 27th Jan 2019, 11:07
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andrewn,

More leaver naivety and complacency!

Far from being an idle threat or an 'establishment sponsored bung" Airbus have already committed funding and resources to a wing technology facility in Spain, prior to this nonsense that was scheduled for the UK, the writing is on the wall for Hawarden and Filton.

As to the others continually adjusting their commitments of course you are right, but what is also right is that they have ALL reversed investment decisions and made investments in the EU that were previously planned for the UK. Your MAY emphasis is quite beyond ironic...

And only last week we had the Employers Federation warning that THOUSANDS of UK companies are planning to move production from the UK in the event of a no deal.

It is so sad to be in the only country in history to have applied sanctions to itself, and major massive sanctions, without one single benefit.
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Old 27th Jan 2019, 11:11
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Some helpful words of advice from the foreign office.

Passport validity

Your passport should be valid for the proposed duration of your stay; you donít need any additional period of validity on your passport beyond this.

However, if the UK leaves the European Union with no deal, the passport validity rules for travel to most countries in Europe will change from 29 March 2019. Some passports with up to 15 months validity remaining may not be valid for travel.
LINK



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Old 27th Jan 2019, 11:17
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Exrigger,

We believe in the catastrophic predictions for these companies profitability and operations because that is precisely what a no deal WTO departure WILL mean! You add tariffs to each and every arrival and departure plus time to process and you wreck the carefully costed and timed JIT that the modern manufacturer relies on to be competitive and profitable. We already have an issue in the UK as the Tories have over many years made it the easiest, quickest and cheapest country in Europe in which to close down an existing operation, so for any multi-national global manufacturer, which is most of the significant employers, who happen to have plants in the UK, France, Germany, Holland and Italy, and who wish to rationalise, increase efficiency and cut costs, guess which plant they will close first? And now Brexit is making that decision not just easier, but in some cases absolutely imperative! And a LOT of those companies DO have a business management presence in the UK, the one's who have yet to announce that that is moving inside the EU that is. Those 5.7 million small businesses rely to a very large extent on supplying first tier multi-nationals, and it is a lot more than just 5 or 6 who are shouting. The Employers Federation last week advised that THOUSANDS of UK companies are preparing to move production overseas in the case of a hard Brexit.

And all for what?

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Old 27th Jan 2019, 11:18
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
I think you're right, the UK has always thought of itself as living in some sort of bubble, where it didn't / doesn't have to cooperate with anyone unless it's on the UK's terms. That's why some sections of the public are so outraged that the EU has red lines, just fewer than the UK ones. And they've even fudged the odd one or two of theirs.

Our history, the Empire and "winning" two world wars hasn't helped in current negotiations. It might have gone better is our superiority complex had taken a knock at some stage.
It did, After 1945 in fact when the expected return to the UK dictating to the Empire didn't quite go as planned. There were a few upsets in the expectations of a return to the domestic status quo as well,

Thereafter, the UK was at a bit of a loose end until the EU (ok in it's embryonic form to save any pedantry ) arrived and then, when we finally got round to realising the benefits and joined, strangely other European nations weren't overly enthused as to the UK feeling the UK should subsequently be running the whole show.



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