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Old 24th Jan 2019, 11:45
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
There's two interpretations of your view.

The first, is that you are advocating rioting/ civil disobedience, strikes and indeed any form of action taken by the public to protest against the Gov't. Plus the inclusion of the term "national identity " which is generally a sanitised way of saying, lets call them immigrants shall we ?....have enhanced the demographic of the UK population but are far from welcome as they are not indigenous "British ". . and if you seriously, and naively believe the UK population aren't capable of protesting, think again.

When shortages , of whatever commodity, start affecting peoples lives and the Gov't is unable, or unwilling, to produce tangible remedies, then unrest develops very quickly. Chuck in a recession. albeit the "R" word doesn't get mentioned too much, so far, and it's far from unrealistic to expect the electorate to sit passively and place their faith and trust in the Gov't.

Thereafter, I suggest you enter " austerity in the UK" , or any similar terms, into the search engine of choice and see what comes up.....here's a helpful clue.....make sure you are sitting comfortably because you will be reading about the destructive effects on millions of peoples lives for some considerable time.

As has been mentioned, "once or twice " were it not for March 29th taking over politics, the policies of the Gov't and austerity......still very much a fact of life, despite Treeza gushing forth to the contrary, would be getting the prominence they deserve. Dave and Gideon, between them, imposed some of the most vindictive and malicious policies of any Gov't with their targets being those who are least able to defend themselves ..in any respect. Thankfully, the Lib Dems did provide an obstacle to negate even more draconian policies being introduced.
Krystal - your response might have had more relevance if you had bothered to consider the content of my post before launching forth in your customarily adversarial style. I have advocated nothing and really do think you should take more care when ascribing to others, opinions or beliefs which they have neither expressed, nor indeed, implied.

Incidentally, "There's" is a corruption of "there is". Therefore it is grammatically singular. The conjoined "two" is plural.
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 11:56
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Incidentally, "There's" is a corruption of "there is". Therefore it is grammatically singular. The conjoined "two" is plural.
You are right re the singular v plural here. But I thought "There's" is a contraction, rather than a corruption?
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 12:04
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I see in today's Times that the Dutch are targeting 250 British companies to follow Sony's move there.
Daily we hear of moves and planned /threatened moves like these. And still the Brexit mob say it will be OK.
Taking back control sounds good, until you find there is nothing left to control but crowds of angry unemployed people.
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 12:06
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
You are right re the singular v plural here. But I thought "There's" is a contraction, rather than a corruption?
Correct....
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 12:11
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
That was an interesting read (well scan actually), not as I suspected it would, supporting the remainer "people vote" argument, but giving a calm and realistic assessment of the realities of leaving the EU. Shame it wasn't widely circulated on broadcast in full.

and right on cue Mr Rogers made another speech yesterday. Again a great deal of analysis of the current situation and future negotiations. I’ll be having a good read on the way to the Canaries this weekend. I suspect it might be depressing.

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/european-insti...l_22012019.pdf
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 12:12
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Originally Posted by Gipsy Queen View Post
Krystal - your response might have had more relevance if you had bothered to consider the content of my post before launching forth in your customarily adversarial style. I have advocated nothing and really do think you should take more care when ascribing to others, opinions or beliefs which they have neither expressed, nor indeed, implied.

Incidentally, "There's" is a corruption of "there is". Therefore it is grammatically singular. The conjoined "two" is plural.
First, thanks for the grammatical correction . Strangely, I am not overly concerned as to your diligence in this respect.

Secondly, and you'll excuse me for saying this, the content of your post inferred the UK population would not resort to civil unrest because, seemingly, this is not in our nature and even more so once new arrivals to the UK are taken into the equation....the term "national identity " invariably conceals the unpalatable spectre of xenophobia.

And, you are utterly clueless as to the effects austerity has had on several million of the population...... whereas I am not, from personal experience regarding the lady in my life.


Meanwhile, and this is not directed at you, elsewhere in this green and septic isle, it appears the effluence that would normally be treated at a processing plant has transmogrified itself into a human being......albeit it would be impossible to make the distinction if it were encountered.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-46981268

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Old 24th Jan 2019, 12:32
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The principle Dutch inducements to British business to move there are an exemption from the existing Dutch 20% tax surcharge on bonus payments and no income tax on 30% of income for a period of eight years. Britain would woe business away from the Netherlands if it offered competitive tax rates like that. Instead of which, just listen to McDonnell fulminate and work out where you would rather be located, even without Holland, the Dutch and their humour.
You cannot blame all pending British business departures on Brexit but you can certainly say that the instability caused by the mess on both sides of government combined with favourable taxation rates overseas is having a deleterious effect on business in the UK.
It is going to get a lot worse, but Brexit will have a lot less to do with it than some circulatory doom mongers would have one believe.
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 12:34
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Point of order, Mr Speaker:
more care when ascribing to others, opinions or beliefs which they have neither expressed, nor indeed, implied.
Further to my last, I am not sure there should be a comma between the words 'others' and 'opinions'.
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 12:43
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Two and a half years ago the result of the UK Referendum was announced with the government promising to abide by the result, a decision to leave the EU. With two months to go until we leave, Airbus and others are still complaining about Brexit uncertainty. It is a certainty that the UK will be leaving the EU. Companies should plan accordingly. The actual conditions under which the UK departs should be an irrelevance if all the options are planned for in advance of the leave date. To be claiming that you are uncertain and that nobody told you something was happening two and a half years after the event beggars belief.

While Airbus could conceivably move their aircraft wing production from the UK to elsewhere in the EU, It would surely take years to get a plant up and running from scratch and to achieve the necessary certification standards. In the meantime, Boeing will expand to monopolise the market.
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 13:06
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Originally Posted by Curious Pax View Post
Ignorance isn’t confined to the masses. This is a tweet from David Campbell Bannerman, Tory MEP and ex UKIP deputy leader in response to the Airbus communication:



Looking forward to the rollout of the first British airliner in decades that will knock those cocky Europeans off the Airbus perch!
If you are looking for ignorance look at the comments on that BBC story.

7. Posted byKaloody

4 hours ago

Who even are airbus? I only fly Ryanair. No great loss. MORE PROJECT FEAR.
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 14:03
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
The principle Dutch inducements to British business to move there are an exemption from the existing Dutch 20% tax surcharge on bonus payments and no income tax on 30% of income for a period of eight years. Britain would woe business away from the Netherlands if it offered competitive tax rates like that.
The Netherlands are competing with other EU member states to attract UK based companies that are about to jump ship. Hence the incentives. Those companies would leave the UK anyway. Plus they do not benefit from lower personal taxes of their employees.

As others have pointed out, we have yet to hear that a company is moving to the UK - which, accordinng to Camp Brexit, will be the land of the rich and beautiful where milk and hoeny will flow once the EU shackles can be discarded. Isn't the Brexit mantra that UK based companies will be better off because all those funny EU regulations will disappear, an attractive tax regime will be in place and worldwide trade deals will give the UK a competitive edge over the EU? So why are companies moving out instead of moving in?
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 15:27
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Point of order, Mr Speaker: Further to my last, I am not sure there should be a comma between the words 'others' and 'opinions'.
I think there probably should be !
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 15:35
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Good news Friday

The start of justice for his victims

Alex Salmond 11 counts of serious sexual assault.

Today is a very good day indeed.



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Old 24th Jan 2019, 15:37
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Originally Posted by ex82watcher View Post
I think there probably should be !
I was taught whether a phrase between commas could be omitted was a test to see whether the commas were correctly positioned.
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 16:02
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Airbus asked to back their 3. Instead anti-Brexit rant by the “government”. For government read the Chancellor, Hammond....

”Airbus’s Senior UK Vice President Katherine Bennett let slip a key nugget of information live on Sky News this afternoon as part of their anti-No Deal media blitz. When challenged over whether “the government put you up to this,” after initially deflecting the question, Bennett confirmed that the Government had indeed asked them to up the ante on Project Fear:

“They did say could you make sure that you make clear the potential impact of a No Deal, and we are happy to do that because No Deal is potentially going to be catastrophic for us.”

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Old 24th Jan 2019, 16:04
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Originally Posted by weemonkey View Post
The start of justice for his victims

Alex Salmond 11 counts of serious sexual assault.

Today is a very good day indeed.



That is of course if he is guilty, even though I cannot abide the guy, however one in a way feels for him ( and the victim / victims of course ) as such a high profile figure even if found not guilty, this will follow him around like a bad smell for the rest of his life.
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 16:40
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Rotten fish?





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Old 24th Jan 2019, 17:31
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Airbus asked to back their 3. Instead anti-Brexit rant by the “government”. For government read the Chancellor, Hammond....

”Airbus’s Senior UK Vice President Katherine Bennett let slip a key nugget of information live on Sky News this afternoon as part of their anti-No Deal media blitz. When challenged over whether “the government put you up to this,” after initially deflecting the question, Bennett confirmed that the Government had indeed asked them to up the ante on Project Fear:




There is no doubt that Airbus will survive Brexit, the doubt is will Airbus UK survive Brexit? I’m sure the shipbuilders, miners and car workers also believed UK would be a safe manufacturing centre for years to come.
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 18:09
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I agree Bazzo.

Tom Ender’s made a statement about Airbus’s strategic thinking. It doesn’t really matter whether or not the U.K. Government asked him to broadcast it loud or clear, or whether it is part of “project fear” or not....

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Old 24th Jan 2019, 19:12
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Why would Airbus take part in Project Fear if nothing untwoward will, as we are told again and again by Camp Brexit, result from a hard, soft or whatever kind of Brexit? Airbus should be chillaxing if Brexit does not make a difference.
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