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Old 21st Jan 2019, 10:52
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Well as it's so obvious why don't remain just get behind setting up for a default exit. It would do far less damage to both EU and the UK at this point setting up for it than the current pissing about
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 11:01
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
Well as it's so obvious why don't remain just get behind setting up for a default exit. It would do far less damage to both EU and the UK at this point setting up for it than the current pissing about
Because you & all your quitty pals fail to grasp the severity of the damage it would cause. Despite acres of widely available consensus, you dismiss any warnings repeatedly as project fear, pluck fantasy scenarios out of thin air, wail that you're being abused when deservedly challenged & generally add nothing of value to any subject under debate except to claim you're doing very nicely thank you very much.

The Seaborne debacle on this very thread is an excellent example of the above.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 11:05
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
Well as it's so obvious why don't remain just get behind setting up for a default exit. It would do far less damage to both EU and the UK at this point setting up for it than the current pissing about
I don't speak for remain any more than you speak for leave, and I have no more influence than you.

I have been saying since the referendum that I accepted the result, that we would leave without a satisfactory agreement, and that it would be followed by a Labour government. The last two were greeted with derision at first, but rather less now. I think you joined in the discussion rather later.

Of course in the extremely remote possibility of a second referendum I would be campaigning for remain. But we both know that won't happen.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 11:10
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No reason to accept remain fiction on the post exit situation, they have got it spectacularly wrong so far.

And the great power house they claim is the EU is likely to be entering deep poo this year.

But they seem to think it's better to damage the entity that they want to stay with than just get on with it.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 11:54
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
No reason to accept remain fiction on the post exit situation, they have got it spectacularly wrong so far.

And the great power house they claim is the EU is likely to be entering deep poo this year.

But they seem to think it's better to damage the entity that they want to stay with than just get on with it.
Dear Nostradamus / Mother Shipton....

And your detailed basis for this prophecy is.......what, please ?

Nearly forgot...off topic here btw.....the Bil who was a former Traffic Police officer read your posts...I kindly sent him a link and asked his professional opinion, hope you don't mind asking somebody who was directly involved in accident investigations for "xx" years, and he said if only he and his colleagues has known about your expertise, they could have spent so many shifts eating bacon sarnies and drinking coffee because clearly, their years of training, investigation ( and some emotional upset at times ) were wasted.

He also suggested your comments emanated from your lower colon with a collapsed sphincter muscle.....but not in quite such a polite manner as wot I have. Some rude words were also involved.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 12:04
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
No reason to accept remain fiction on the post exit situation, they have got it spectacularly wrong so far.
Perfect. A sentence entirely at odds with itself. I could not have picked a better illustration.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 12:43
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Doesn't suprise me that was his reaction. They hate it when a engineer turns up and challenges there interpretation of the event. I believe it's the same with fires as well but I have never had anything to do with that.

As for the EU state after this summer...
Have you not seen that Germany has been two quarters in negative growth. It has one huge domestic bank on life support. Greece, Italy, Spain and Portugal all border line crisis. Any or all of them could crash at any point.

I can only presume selective blindness.

But anyway it's still not going to effect UK's default exit.

But I might effect the speed of a deal being made on exit. But as there is so much pride and face lose involved in a trade deal with UK I suspect it won't happen and the EU will prefer to just take the damage because it would strengthen other countries political pressure to leave.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 13:02
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Actually Tescoapp, there is no definitive data available regarding the German economy. The German State Federal Office is expecting a 0.1% positive growth, however official figures are not due to be released till next month. If true, this means that Germany is technically not in a recession.

not sure where you get your figures from but I suggest that you stop declaring that Germany is in a recession untill the official figures are released.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 13:08
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Looks like the odds on Mrs Mays deal getting through have gone up now that Poland has broken ranks and suggested that the Backstop could be time limited. If Parliament approves a Murrison type amendment giving a fixed time limit and then sends it back to Brussels who knows what the response will be.

You never know, everyone might have got it wrong and Mays deal is the one we end up with.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 13:13
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The production numbers are out. They were forecast at +0.3 came in at -0.1%.

Plenty on the internet about Germany all ready in a technical resession. But your right the official GDP results will come out just as the UK exits.

To be honest for the last two years the economic fiction guessers have been out over estimating growth in EU and under estimating UK. Sometimes by over half a point. Interest rates already zero, QA meant to be stopping. Interesting times.

Certainly not a period to have any exposure to stockmarkets. Better to sit back and wait for things to start going up.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 13:27
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Also plenty on the internet to show that Germany just avoided a recession. It all depends on who you believe.

You seem to have an unhealthy obsession with the performance of the EU to justify why the UK should leave. Yet all of us are going round in circles as nobody is able to predict what will happen to either the UK or the EU when we leave. One can only hope that in the end it works out well for all of us.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 13:28
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Meanwhile, in battled, battered Britain, Aston Martin have produced a new sports car called the Veruka.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 13:38
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I will continue to believe the EC stats site and form my own opinion.

As for the focusing on EU strength it's been a major false argument by remain that the UK is going to tank due to leaving such a strong power base group of economies. When in actual fact the whole setup is on life support and they are struggling to keep it stabilised never mind get better.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 13:44
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
I will continue to believe the EC stats site and form my own opinion.

As for the focusing on EU strength it's been a major false argument by remain that the UK is going to tank due to leaving such a strong power base group of economies. When in actual fact the whole setup is on life support and they are struggling to keep it stabilised never mind get better.
Other than the first line, which is indicative of an entirely closed mind, none of what follows is remotely accurate.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 13:46
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[QUOTE=cavortingcheetah;10366339]Meanwhile, in battled, battered Britain, Aston Martin have produced a new sports car called the Veruka.[/QUOTE

At a very young age I had one of those on the bottom of my foot, doctor said i caught it (?) at the local baths
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 14:05
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Hahahahahahahahaaaaaa....now, there is a first

Ms Abbott said Ms Bruce did "not appear well briefed" after getting polling figures wrong for Labour standings compared to those of the Conservatives.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46943667

she should have took the other half of the Duo, Costello on to explain his forthcoming election to PM...........or not.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 14:20
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which is indicative of an entirely closed mind, none of what follows is remotely accurate
Well go and have a look at it yourself. Good starting points are the intra Eu flight statistics and then Canada balance of trade statistic first of all all 28 member states then pull the UK stats and remove them from the 28 member states figures. There is only one conclusion you can have... Well that's not going to last long will it.

next is the Japan stats do the same as for Canada.. Oh well that's the reason they are waiting to sign it, no chance if the UK is out the CU will be the likely conclusion.

Per say my mind is not closed, if there is anything comes up factual then I will change my mind.

Nothing that's spouted by the fiction writers comes even close to changing it I must agree.

But I take it its not ok to be closed minded about leaving but its perfectly OK and correct to be closed minded about remaining?
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 15:02
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As the expert on trade matters, tescoapp, you will know that with so little time to go until exit we have not one single trade agreement ready to sign, out of 40 that need to be agreed. How is that going to work?
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 15:37
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We are not aloud to sign anything until out.

Some say we are not even aloud to enter into negotiations.

Those that we are likely to get a deal with don't want to get involved with a divorce for either side. Others like Canada are very happy the way things are and don't want to encourage UK to leave because it means they have major issues with there current deal with the EU if they don't have access to the UK's import market.

Once out it's a blank bit of paper no rules attached. The EU'S current deals will have been fundementally changed since they were formed and might be deemed inappropriate by the other party after UK leaves.

Just use the EU stats site with which ever trade deal you like to see the effect the UK import market being withdrawn has on the balance of them.

Nothing was ever going to be agreed by default exit date. You can't agree a deal then say well we don't know when we can start it. It might be end of march. Or 2020 oh if we don't agree a deal with the EU we might be in until the Catholics in NI breed enough we can have a ref and get rid of the place.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 15:49
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Working on the basis that Brexit will involve loss of control over aroumd 15% of the EU economy, back of an envelope calculations suggest that the impact of the UK leaving the EU is roughly the same as Northern Ireland and Scotland leaving the UK. Given the attempts by the SNP to demand Scotland remain in the EU and EU demands to treat Northern Ireland as a special customs area, surely this cannot be a coincidence? It certainly explains one of the ways the EU will seek to punish the UK for leaving. It also makes a good case for a no deal Brexit to preclude these attempts to drive a wedge between the different regions of the UK.

From an EU perspective, control of Scotland and Northern Ireland would open up vast areas of the Atlantic to their fishing fleets. Well worth the effort of some covert disruption and support from Brussels.
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