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Old 16th Jan 2019, 12:39
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I think she'll defeat the NCM as well - I just thought it was funny.

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Old 16th Jan 2019, 12:53
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Me too. Should be amusing to see a PM who less than 24 hours ago lost a commons vote by the biggest margin in history have parliament express its confidence in her government, while a cuddly old grand dad who, two years ago had 80% of his own MP's call for his resignation, shout that anyone in her position who's lost so much support should resign.
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Old 16th Jan 2019, 13:00
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
To jog everyone's memory, you suggested waiving border controls as a means of alleviating the consequences of a policy decision. No country in the world does this.
I cannot dispute what you say, but faced with starving or pragmatism the obvious solution is to maintain the open border until such time as an effective system can be set up.

Such a system will obviously take time, money, and training to set up and I can appreciate why no action was taken as expense would have been nugatory in the event of a deal.
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Old 16th Jan 2019, 13:08
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Originally Posted by flash8 View Post
Ken Baker was puffing on a large cigar dominating the hall (think he was Thatchers Education Secretary at the time)... pure utter arrogance... all the Young Conservatives hovering around him treating him like the King, .
Baker's son, Oswin, is a leading member of the Greenwich and Woolwich Labour Party.
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Old 16th Jan 2019, 13:28
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Originally Posted by sfm818 View Post
Forty years ago (still under a Labour goverment) I souced my footwear from GT Hawkins and jackets from Grenfell. Both world class companies, based in what the Tories now like to call the Northern Powerhouse. Those companies did not survive the Thatcher administrstion and although one now trades out of London (after a brief period under Japanese ownership) it is NOT the authentic product, but is happy to trade on the hard earned reputation of the original comany in Lancashire.

This is an example of two companies in the north which produced work of the highest quality and held the Royal Warrant. Even they were forced to shut down by Thatcher economics. Do people living in the north of England seriously believe they can place their trust in the Tory party to protect their interests.
Thatcher economics, or customers willing to buy inferior but far cheaper products made in Asia?

The Labour government you mentioned. That will be the one that closed down more coal mines than Thatcher, causing unemployment across the North.
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Old 16th Jan 2019, 13:38
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customers willing to buy inferior but far cheaper products made in Asia?
When I first went to China twenty five years ago it was blindingly obvious that any Western domestic equipment manufacturer should sell up whilst his plant was still worth something.
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Old 16th Jan 2019, 14:06
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Thatcher economics, or customers willing to buy inferior but far cheaper products made in Asia?

The Labour government you mentioned. That will be the one that closed down more coal mines than Thatcher, causing unemployment across the North.
I am shocked. The first time that I am in agreement with one of your statements. Must remember to keep an open mind about your thoughts! Until your next post
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Old 16th Jan 2019, 15:11
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I am shocked. The first time that I am in agreement with one of your statements. Must remember to keep an open mind about your thoughts! Until your next post
Sorry about thst. Must try harder.
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Old 16th Jan 2019, 15:29
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The thing that peeves me about it all is the EU's insistance that the UK must produce a credible solution they will accept, its been in the UK's court all along and the simple responses have been nope, not acceptable... Common sense would have had the EU draft their proposal as to how we leave and the Uk the same, a middle ground could then have been eaked out between the two plans that would have satified both parties.
That and Corbyns deliberate vagueness on the issue and the lack of willingness to participate in the agreement simply to grab power, ohhh I am so looking forward to seeing him on TV tonight when his plan fails as I think it will. I cannot see any Conservative voting against themselves.
One onerous development is the speaker Burk oh appearing to overstep his powers by suggesting he can take control away from the government of the day and hand it to others, where is the democracy in that?
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Old 16th Jan 2019, 15:40
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Any one reading this from scratch , especially if not burdened by our political biases and history , would conclude we have had some of the worst governments imaginable from old school protectionist labour to destroy society Thatcher and how slavish devotion to certain policies, Union over protection by labour and thoughtless almost criminal in some cases privatisations by he Tories have cost our country dearly just to enrich a relatively small number of people

We are no worse than many countries because politicians are largely the same the world over but what we have now is alarming-nothing like it since the civil war.
Calling for unity is pointless because people will not give up deeply held beliefs .

We now have something of a three way split in terms of assured voters

200 MPs for May and a compromise, 200 MPs leave at any price even if we ruin the economy 200 MPs scrap Brexit ; the latter two are not going to change so it comes down to the May loyalists and where they vote. Sadly viewed from the outside we look like selfish idiots who dont care at all about obligations and treaties and are willing to risk the well being of their country to protect their partys chances of staying in power

the one way to ensure ongoing conservative government of course ifs to scrap Brexit because that takes the sane elements of Tory and labour and puts them together- upsets the hard left who will never vote Tory and upsets the loony right who are never going to vote labour and this si what May should have done and may still do of course because apart from preserving her in power it gets rid of Cheating Boris and the vile Rees Mogg a man stupid enough to want to take the country back to a time where he would not be allowed to be an MP because of his religion. Farage of course doesnt care what happens because he is a bloody German by marriage (as are his kids) and doesnt get affected at all
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Old 16th Jan 2019, 15:46
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Sky News headline:

Sky Sources say the Port of Dover and two of its biggest ferry operators P&0 and DFDS will announce they are "prepared" for a 'no-deal' Brexit but they still need the Government's help to keep the port running smoothly.

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Old 16th Jan 2019, 15:54
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The thing that peeves me about it all is the EU's insistance that the UK must produce a credible solution they will accept, its been in the UK's court all along and the simple responses have been nope, not acceptable... Common sense would have had the EU draft their proposal as to how we leave and the Uk the same, a middle ground could then have been eaked out between the two plans that would have satified both parties.
That was all part of their bluffing plan, the whole object of the negotiations is to prevent/ try and reverse leaving but on there terms. ECJ has screwed that up on cancelling though. It doesn't want the UK leaving the control of the Eu both economically and socially. If they had suggested something then they ran the danger of it being accepted.

The EU needs control over the UK import market or they will loose pretty much all trade deals that have been created. Without the UK's import market and the other states running heavy export surpluses then things become very heavy in the EU's favour. More than likely the reason why the Japan deal is in limbo just now and its PM is wading in with comments. UK market out the picture and sorry the picture has changed we need to renegotiate.
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Old 16th Jan 2019, 15:58
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Being a sad sod, I watched a fair bit of the No Confidence debate on TV this afternoon. While Corbyn was making his speech, he was accusing the PM of some fairly damning failures, along with the failed vote of last night. May's reaction to the incoming barbs was to sit there with a huge grin on her face, accompanied by laughing so much she was literally bobbing up and down in her seat. Is that an indicator of how seriously she takes the whole issue? One Tory MP brought laughter to the House when he began an intervention with "We only lost by 200 votes"!
I think someone should introduce an amendment to procedures that would specify only grown ups are allowed to stand as MPs!
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Old 16th Jan 2019, 16:07
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Lock them all up in a room with no women, wine or wastrelling until white smoke comes out of the chimney.
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Old 16th Jan 2019, 16:25
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Eurotunnel have put out a press release in reaction to May’s defeat last night, confirming that “with or without a deal, traffic flow through the Tunnel will be maintained”.

Eurotunnel have been steadily “preparing for all outcomes” for the past two years “to ensure that new post-Brexit border controls will have no significant impact on Tunnel traffic”, noting that truck traffic has increased fourfold since the Tunnel opened in 1994 despite the number of lorry controls increasing from three to eight over that period.....
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Old 16th Jan 2019, 16:42
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I use the tunnel several times a year. I note that it says that traffic flow will be MAINTAINED. It does not say that it will be unaffected. My main reason for using Eurotunnel is that it makes the journey from Suffolk to where I stay east of Paris easy within the same day. I have no doubts that it will be longer.
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Old 16th Jan 2019, 16:46
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They were hardly likely to put out a presser saying that's it lads, we're f*****d now were they? We can proffer these nuggets 'til the cows come home to reinforce one view point or another, personally, I would be asking why we've come to see this as normal, acceptable or even not a descent into insanity.
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Old 16th Jan 2019, 16:46
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
. May's reaction to the incoming barbs was to sit there with a huge grin on her face, accompanied by laughing so much she was literally bobbing up and down in her seat. Is that an indicator of how seriously she takes the whole issue!
Nahh, the vote of no confidence is a given so effectively she has an easy day today - she knows she is not in any danger at all of losing that vote....and yes, it is really no way to run a modern democracy...then again..

I’m in the Far East ATM and have just spent some time in a Commonwealth country..the general view there of the U.K. is “WTF” are you doing, that the U.K. has lost it’s mind and that most certainly Government and the whole parliamentary system is not fit for purpose ..and I have not heard any mention of those countries rushing to do those “dead easy” WTO/commonwealth trade deals that were promised by some.




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Old 16th Jan 2019, 16:48
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Eurotunnel have put out a press release in reaction to May’s defeat last night, confirming that “with or without a deal, traffic flow through the Tunnel will be maintained”.

Eurotunnel have been steadily “preparing for all outcomes” for the past two years “to ensure that new post-Brexit border controls will have no significant impact on Tunnel traffic”, noting that truck traffic has increased fourfold since the Tunnel opened in 1994 despite the number of lorry controls increasing from three to eight over that period.....
Of course they would say that wouldn't they? In any event, from Eurotunnel, or the ferry operators perspective, the nuts and bolts of how to operate trains and ferries doesn't change one iota whether we're in or out of the EU.

What does change, and what isn't in their gift is the inevitability of port health checks and customs clearance, both outbound and inbound. There are no, absolutely no facilities at Eurotunnel to enable the checking and passing of import or export declarations. Clearances are done at Ashford presently, a facility designed for the comparatively small percentage of traffic arriving via Eurotunnel that requires customs clearance (trailers arriving from outside the customs union area (so including the likes of Switzerland, as well as Turkey and more exotic states). At Dover, the situation is slightly better, with customs at the port and a handful of customs agents to facilitate clearance outward and inward.

The same can be said of airlines and tour operators who are saying confidently (with very little evidence) that travel arrangements won't be comprehensively screwed up by a no deal crash out on 29th March. All they want is customer's money in the lean season, to keep cash flow going. Some airlines, notably Ryanair have put disclaimers in the T&Cs for a no deal Brexit - whilst at the same time selling rock bottom fares, and not quite so cheap ones to naive punters.

Of course, the chances of the UK leaving the EU on 29th March are receding by the hour, simply because the parliamentary time is not available to pass all the required legislation. How long it takes the Maybot to accept this is the question.
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Old 16th Jan 2019, 16:52
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Another lady whose insights often attract the indignation of those JB stalwarts who generally lack any sense of humour......enter Ms Marina Hyde with her own definitive take on matters.....

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...es-opportunity
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