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Old 15th Jan 2019, 19:52
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Well no suprise there then about the result. But 432 against 202 for is more than I expected.

It's going to screw up the EU as well as it's obvious the deal will never be accepted.

I am surprised though that corybn has tabled the no confidence vote.

That gives who gets the most seats 4 weeks before default exit to form a government.
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 20:02
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Yeah, but the DUP is going to back the government in no confidence vote (£££). So we could well be back to square one tomorrow evening... with the same Captain too.
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 20:12
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Nats on board too, so excluding something pretty trippy happening, it's ground hog day. Wait'll you see plan B, it looks just like plan A, I would bet my mortgage on.
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 20:13
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Beats me how anyone who has repeatedly failed and now led the government to the biggest defeat in history can possibly have the brass neck to stay on. Think she will though. After tomorrow's useless attempt we will be back to where we where at Chequers. Some display of leadership.
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 20:18
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
Well no suprise there then about the result. But 432 against 202 for is more than I expected.

It's going to screw up the EU as well as it's obvious the deal will never be accepted.

I am surprised though that corybn has tabled the no confidence vote.

That gives who gets the most seats 4 weeks before default exit to form a government.
It never ceases to amaze me how anyone can possibly claim to have been observing the past two years events & failed to have noticed how the one single lever Brexloonies think they have to pull on the EU has been tacitly accepted by them since the start. I do wish you would push orf with your never ending fantasy rabbit hole, parallel universe,acid trips.
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 20:24
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Well that's May's plan down the swanny, roll on June.
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 20:25
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I have said from the very start that any deal negotiation will just be the continuation of the bluffing.

​​​​​​You really think me doing anything will change what will happen?

I suppose some cash for any legal crowd funding to block cancelling will help but there are enough high capital no deal supporters out there that my 100 quid won't make any difference. They won't even have to win just stall things for a couple of weeks.

Sounds like Tusk is getting nervous.

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Old 15th Jan 2019, 20:34
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Watching the Scottish leader on the news and his " let's listen to the voices of the parliamentarians that have been sent here, there is no support for this deal" he then goes on to say " lets have a second referendum" thus not listening to the voices of this that sent him there, obviously he is deaf to what the public have told him in the first referendum..
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 20:34
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All the BBC experts wringing their hands and telling us how the £ will collapse should the Deal be rejected. It immediately picked up to where it was yesterday.
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 20:38
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Rather than just more insults, maybe some might want to actually post their thoughts on what they think will actually happen now, rather than wishful thinking on what their dream result would be now that Mayís deal has been soundly rejected, even though it is the first time that a forecasted result was correct, and Corbyn has tabled a motion of no confidence, a couple of question off the top of my head for perusal;

1. Can the Conservatives win the vote of no confidence to stop another election?
2. If there is a GE and Conservatives win, what happens to Brexit?
3. If there is a GE and Labour win, what happens to Brexit?
4. If there is another referendum and leave win again (no-one knows if they will or not), even though the two main parties have said there wonít be (I know they all lie for their own ends), what happens to brexit?
5. If there is another referendum and remain win (no-one knows if they will or not), what happens to brexit?
6. What happens if Article 50 exit date is not extended to allow the current mess to be sorted?
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 20:42
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That will change.

There will have been loads of people myself included who are working the instability of the market against the city traders and there knee jerk reactions to anything which makes no deal more likely.

The Italian bank getting bailed out and German growth last quarter being alot lower than expected plus last month apparently negative according to some boards. Also trump's shut down means it's going to be unstable to many variables at play. UK growth looks pretty good now that other countries are reporting there last quarter.
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 20:43
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I suspect itís because the deal (now defunct) was expected to be voted down hence no surprise for the financial market. After all the market wants the softest possible Brexit and this could well be a step closer to deliver it.

And now itís clear Theresa May will be PM by tomorrow evening too.
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 20:59
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I was wrong it's 14 days from the first vote to win a vote of confidence then 25 working days until the election can be held but it can be more. So 7 weeks from tomorrow.

So week ending 8th of March.

You never know she might win it.
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 21:28
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Originally Posted by Exrigger View Post
Rather than just more insults, maybe some might want to actually post their thoughts on what they think will actually happen now, rather than wishful thinking on what their dream result would be now that Mayís deal has been soundly rejected, even though it is the first time that a forecasted result was correct, and Corbyn has tabled a motion of no confidence, a couple of question off the top of my head for perusal;

1. Can the Conservatives win the vote of no confidence to stop another election?
2. If there is a GE and Conservatives win, what happens to Brexit?
3. If there is a GE and Labour win, what happens to Brexit?
4. If there is another referendum and leave win again (no-one knows if they will or not), even though the two main parties have said there wonít be (I know they all lie for their own ends), what happens to brexit?
5. If there is another referendum and remain win (no-one knows if they will or not), what happens to brexit?
6. What happens if Article 50 exit date is not extended to allow the current mess to be sorted?
We probably shouldn't confuse voting against May's deal with a no confidence vote. I think most if not all Conservative MPs will support the Government rather than hand a GE to Corbyn. The DUP will likely support the Government as the money would likely dry up with a Labour Government. So I think, to your point 1, the answer is most likely yes. What that means in terms of Brexit I don't know, but it takes the other questions off the table.
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 21:31
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Biggest defeat in Political history... and no ding-dong the wicked witch is dead.... that woman is indestructible... not sure though that is an admirable trait.
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 21:38
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Personally I think Corybn is more leave than I am.

And he will engineer things so that it happens by default and can claim there was nothing he could do.

As for what will happen if the confidence vote is won? Don't know I suspect that the first one will go the wrong way and the second they will win. Basically to waste another two weeks.

What time wasting actions will occur after that I have no clue.
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 21:45
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How she delayed the vote for a month and achieved f--- all when there are only, what 47 working days to go until brexit?

It's that month delay (extremely valuable time) for absolutely no reason that astounds me.
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 21:48
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
Watching the Scottish leader on the news and his " let's listen to the voices of the parliamentarians that have been sent here, there is no support for this deal" he then goes on to say " lets have a second referendum" thus not listening to the voices of this that sent him there, obviously he is deaf to what the public have told him in the first referendum..
Has Salmond got back in to the big seat then?
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 21:49
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Originally Posted by BONES_ View Post
Yeah, but the DUP is going to back the government in no confidence vote (£££). So we could well be back to square one tomorrow evening... with the same Captain too.
Not quite, because tomorrow we'll be one day nearer the no deal crash out than we were today. It was, after all, Corbyn's turn to kick the can down the road - I wonder what his mate May will come up with for her next turn when she wins tomorrows confidence vote?
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 21:50
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
What time wasting actions will occur after that I have no clue.
They'll think of something. The May/Corbyn double act of taking it in turns to kick the can down the road looks unstoppable - after all they've been doing it for years and nobody has found a way to stop them yet.
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