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Old 8th Jan 2019, 07:39
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Happy to concede I read too much into the question. FWIW, I felt one currency across 16 or so countries with diverse economies was not going to overcome those divergent factors sufficiently to act as a cohesive, unifying force. I haven't really seen much to contradict that view.
Fair enough, but I think many of us had high hopes of the EEC although Maastricht was too much for many but the Euro was perhaps either too soon or too late.
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Old 8th Jan 2019, 07:57
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And without London to sign off on any future loans in the Eu to save any countries banking systems.....

And it will be shits hits the fan within 3 to 6 months globally economically. Inflation in the Euro zone is already decreasing and QE hasn't even stopped yet..

Thick and fast is more than true... but everything will be done and dusted by then....

Waiting the usual pish about providing facts from posters that haven't set up for the bloody obvious and who's bum is pants down and wide open to a default exit.

BTW Greece are the headline and there about 4-5 who will quickly follow when 25% of intra EU travel becomes 3rd country travel and none EU. 17% alone of inra EU travel in between UK and Spain pairs. Loosing out on a few piss heads in Magaluf is the least of there issues.

But funny enough the EU has already said that they have given 1 year on that already maybe because a sphincter is twitching, but in real life the bookings won't be going through for next summer and they are looking at a shite load of bad debt to deal with next summer which will probably kick in about june this year.

So reckon they Eu is going to have to deal with 5 Eu countries with banking system in crisis and one of them includes Germany due to exposure in med countries.

Please please don't bother with the utterly stupid provide facts bollocks. If you are too thick to look a the EASA flight data statistics and look at the GDP from UK tourists and post some stupid narcky comment then sit back a presume that that's the situation sorted.... mean while the med countries are screwed and a load of innocent for want of a better word peasants are looking at a national crisis through no fault of their own.
This is fabulous. To my utter amazement, edited too!
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Old 8th Jan 2019, 08:31
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Meanwhile.

70% of the time available to lay the SIs before exit day has now elapsed; but just 42% of the minimum number of SIs the government says are needed for Brexit have been laid before Parliament.
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Old 8th Jan 2019, 09:11
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of all the things posted this is perhaps the most illustrative of the utter distain of our "elected" representatives feel towards those they are meant to represent!
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Old 8th Jan 2019, 09:16
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
Please please don't bother with the utterly stupid provide facts bollocks....
Every day you give us two or three pages of unsubstantiated self-opinionated diatribe, and then expect us to do the fact-finding for you.

The only significant fact that is relevant here is that the EU, with all its faults, has managed to survive for many years without the benefit of your advice and will continue to do so long into the future.

For all the difference your blustering here is making, you might as well be writing it on a lavatory wall. Although you would p​​​robably need to improve your grammar to be accepted there.

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Old 8th Jan 2019, 10:33
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Tescoapp, I hesitated to write this but I see two others have criticised your last post. It was very hard to discern your thoughts. You are either a non-native English speaker or you are in a flaming temper as you write.

Can I ask you take more care before you press Submit?
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Old 8th Jan 2019, 10:35
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Anyhoo, I am dismayed by the behaviour of thugs outside parliament yesterday, jostling & calling Anna Soubry a Nazi. I find increasingly this kind of thing to be a manifestation of gutter politics borne of the deep divisions unleashed in society in the past few years. From McDonnell calling for Tory MP's to be challenged in the street to Farage demonising foreigners, there are some who take their cues from this behaviour.

Irrespective of one's view of Soubry,as it happens to be in this case, she is an elected official going about her job but it's more basic than that. For me, there is a fundamental decency involved that begs the question, would I behave like this? Would I be happy for my child to behave like this? There is only one answer.

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Old 8th Jan 2019, 10:43
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PP, remember Joe Cox too and that attack at Parliament. Have our politicians always been treated like this? I think it is true.
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Old 8th Jan 2019, 10:49
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The world is waiting for us. yes they are to screw us over royally as we lie helpless at their feet-USA

The world is waiting for us - so they can take sweet revenge for years of humiliation and colonial excesses China and India-to name but two

The World is waiting for us LATAM a bunch of Stupid gringos who have never liked us and never had any dealings with us

The world is waiting for us - Africa , of yes a real trading giant and numerous bad memories from colonial days

The World is waiting for us-Russhhya , you blame us for all the evils of the world and now you want to buy our gas at a cheaper price than we sell to the Eu, how many vodkas have you had comrade Fox


So that leaves-er pretty much no one, well there's St Helena and the worlds tax havens most of who have connections to us anyway but once you get away from China India USA it doesnt add up to much -oh I forgot the Eu worlds biggest market and trading block-oh and its 20 miles away, oh the people are ethnically the same as us , and our (remaining) industries and much of our infrastructure is tied to them because of 40 years of cooperation.

To me the World is waiting for us sums up Brexit voters-100 years out of date and without a clue about our countries real standing in the world - to quote a popular song-admittedly of Euro origin, GREAT Britain-it must have been good built its over now .
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Old 8th Jan 2019, 12:18
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Irrespective of one's view of Soubry,as it happens to be in this case, she is an elected official going about her job but it's more basic than that. For me, there is a fundamental decency involved that begs the question, would I behave like this? Would I be happy for my child to behave like this? There is only one answer.

In fact elected by a majority who want to leave the EU. She is not just moderately against the view of the majority of her electorate she is completely obsessed with staying in the EU.

Rather than complain about taking some verbal abuse she should do the decent thing and resign and put herself up for re election.

Fat chance of that!

By the way Iím not in favour of the use of Nazi in this case it is very much an overused and inappropriate insult.
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Old 8th Jan 2019, 13:12
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In fact elected by a majority who want to leave the EU. She is not just moderately against the view of the majority of her electorate she is completely obsessed with staying in the EU.

Rather than complain about taking some verbal abuse she should do the decent thing and resign and put herself up for re election.

Fat chance of that!

By the way Iím not in favour of the use of Nazi in this case it is very much an overused and inappropriate insult.
So she deserves it then?
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Old 8th Jan 2019, 13:56
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Douglas Carswell MP, one of offical leave campaign, writing about the Channel 4 docudrama last night, says:

Since June 23rd 2016, a small but influential group of pundits and commentators, who deeply disapprove of the way most people voted, have constantly tried to undermine the legitimacy of the result. They have scanned ever bit of economic data, and sought to interpret all kinds of incidents, pressing any facts that they can to fit with a narrative of a country set on the wrong course. I could not but help feel that Channel Four’s film ended up doing much the same.

We were presented with a narrative that saw the referendum as some sort of error, in need of explaining away. Mercifully, the film avoided making some of the more loopy Remainer claims, such as that it was all down to Russians. Yet Graham’s script still seemed to be searching for an explanation other than the most simple one: the majority of British voters had had enough of EU membership. Some clearly find that as hard to accept today as they did on June 24th 2016.
Apart from having the usual conspiracy theories tacked on screen as an afterthought before the credits (I wonder what the scriptwriter thought about that), I quite enjoyed the production, especially the portrayal of Aaron Banks and Nigel Farage as slightly unhinged.

Meanwhile, in economic news

German industrial production unexpectedly slumped in November, further evidence that a nine-year recovery in Europe’s largest economy is foundering. Production in Germany’s key industrial sector, adjusted for inflation and seasonal swings, fell 1.9% in November from the previous month. Economic experts’ consensus expectation was for a small rise.

The decline in November production was broad-based and led by consumer goods and energy. Output was down 4.7% year-on-year, the most since the financial crisis. Carsten Brzeski, chief economist at ING Germany says “At face value, today’s industrial production data has clearly increased the risk of a technical recession in Germany in the second half of 2018”
Remind me whose economy is in trouble...
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Old 8th Jan 2019, 14:09
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On the other hand, we have Jacob Rees-Mogg,
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In fact elected by a majority who want to remain in the EU. He is not just moderately against the view of the majority of his electorate he is completely obsessed with leaving the EU.

Rather than complain about taking some verbal abuse he should do the decent thing and resign and put himself up for re election.

Fat chance of that!
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Old 8th Jan 2019, 14:10
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Economic expertsí consensus expectation was for a small rise.
Economic experts wrong again, that cannot be correct
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Old 8th Jan 2019, 14:31
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Originally Posted by Cpt_Pugwash View Post
On the other hand, we have Jacob Rees-Mogg,
MoggMentum‏ @MoggMentum 16h16 hours ago
The Remain side had:
HM Gov HM
Opposition
The BBC
ITV
Channel 4
The EU
More £
The President of the U.S
The vast majority of the press
A £9m tax payer funded leaflet

The Leave side had:
The working class
Don't let anyone tell you Leave had an unfair advantage. #BrexitUncivilWar
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Old 8th Jan 2019, 15:01
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Apart from having the usual conspiracy theories tacked on screen as an afterthought
'The usual conspiracy theories'.





National Crime Agency - NCA initiates investigation following Electoral Commission referral
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Old 8th Jan 2019, 15:12
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As this is happening now, some 2.5/3 years after the referendum, and the general public would not know, or care, who spent what or what they spent it on at the time of the referendum, it does not change the result, neither would it void it, though there will be those who will disagree.
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Old 8th Jan 2019, 15:26
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Rees-Mog says Leave had the working class. That's not quite true, they had the uneducated and gullible class.
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Old 8th Jan 2019, 15:33
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As this is happening now, some 2.5/3 years after the referendum, and the general public would not know, or care, who spent what or what they spent it on at the time of the referendum, it does not change the result, neither would it void it, though there will be those who will disagree.
The law is the law. You do agree with the rule of law don't you? Whoever that was characterised the NCA investigation as 'The usual conspiracy theories' I.e. they constructed a very specific narrative to disparage the police's interest in Arron Banks. Now, why would they do that?

And who mentioned voiding the referendum result? You appear worried by something. But let's say for the sake of argument, Banks is investigated, found guilty & it emerges there was a massive Russian media manipulation operation designed to heavily influence the vote, along with what we already know about Cambridge Analytica & AIQ's Facebook data thefts. What then?

In those hypothetical circumstances, could you reasonably claim we underwent a fair democratic exercise? Clearly, leave supporters will denigrate this story at every turn for obvious reasons but there comes a point when, as now, the serious end of plod gets involved & the denials appear ever more shrill.
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Old 8th Jan 2019, 15:43
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I have absolutely of doubt that the Channel 4 drama was "sexed up" fir TV. I have absolutely no doubt either that the campaign focused on the dismally dim, that was where the money is. You meet these people everyday. The wife of a friend posted Britain First stuff on her Facebook page. She is a lovely lady, very charming and heavily involved with the WI.

It it was not until I pointed out to her that these were the people involved with the murder of Jo Cox and that as such she was now almost certainly a person of interest to the authorities. She was dumbfounded and upset at this but she is not the sharpest by any means. I am sure Cambridge Analytica took an interest in her also.
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