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Old 4th Jan 2019, 20:38
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Just an observation, the Polish shops in our town are thriving. The Polish workers in the shops, the hospital, the local factory don't seem bothered by the day of doom. The immigrant car washes are still washing.
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Old 4th Jan 2019, 20:43
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
Actually on that line, this is turning out to be a half decent parody of Dad's Army. It's just un be f..ing lieveable that the people orchestrating it are masquerading as a semi serious government. You really couldn't make this stuff up.
I keep expecting to wake up and find it's all been a dream. But it's not.
We have no government and no opposition. Just a bunch of selfish greedy arseholes watching the country sliding into oblivion while they keep their hands firmly on their own wallets. Their behaviour is almost worse than Brexit itself.
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Old 4th Jan 2019, 20:48
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Just an observation, the Polish shops in our town are thriving. The Polish workers in the shops, the hospital, the local factory don't seem bothered by the day of doom. The immigrant car washes are still washing.
The Poles have come here to work.They work hard, saving for the time of their choice when they can return to their homes in the EU.
As to the car washes, they don't have to pay tax or NI and again they have the security of EU passports.
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Old 4th Jan 2019, 20:55
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
I keep expecting to wake up and find it's all been a dream. But it's not.
We have no government and no opposition. Just a bunch of selfish greedy arseholes watching the country sliding into oblivion while they keep their hands firmly on their own wallets. Their behaviour is almost worse than Brexit itself.
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Not a dream, still happening...

Countdown to Brexit
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Old 4th Jan 2019, 20:57
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
It is significant that we are ten days away from Theresa's much vaunted and delayed vote

You reckon? What are the bookies offering on that vote actually taking place on the 14th rather than being delayed again or cancelled altogether? - after all, there's no point in holding a vote if it's going to produce the wrong answer, is there.
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Old 4th Jan 2019, 21:05
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Countdown to Brexit...kind of brings to mind those films where the bomb is set to go off and the hero, armed only with a pair of wire cutters, works away feverishly to prevent the impending va va voom. I wonder who will be cast for the role. Dominic Grieve or maybe give it to a lady for political correctness..Anna Soubry, Sarah Wollaston?
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Old 4th Jan 2019, 21:09
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
The Poles have come here to work.They work hard, saving for the time of their choice when they can return to their homes in the EU.
As to the car washes, they don't have to pay tax or NI and again they have the security of EU passports.
But the issue with FMoP is we can't really differentiate between the good eggs and the bad, we just take allcomers. It will shortly be in our power to change that - a massive positive of leaving I am sure you will agree.
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Old 4th Jan 2019, 21:11
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
Countdown to Brexit...kind of brings to mind those films where the bomb is set to go off and the hero, armed only with a pair of wire cutters, works away feverishly to prevent the impending va va voom. I wonder who will be cast for the role. Dominic Grieve or maybe give it to a lady for political correctness..Anna Soubry, Sarah Wollaston?
LOL, at least you have a sense of humour EM. Sadly lacking from some of your chums on here!
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Old 4th Jan 2019, 21:28
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But the issue with FMoP is we can't really differentiate between the good eggs and the bad, we just take allcomers. It will shortly be in our power to change that - a massive positive of leaving I am sure you will agree.
Sorry, that nonsense may have worked with the hard of thinking, but it doesn't work here.

We have had far more immigrants from outside the EU than inside,
We've always had the power to reject the 'bad eggs' from outside the EU, and never managed to exercise it. There's no reason we will do any better with the EU bad eggs after Brexit. In fact there will now be a far bigger load on the immigration authorities, so even more are likely to get through.
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Old 4th Jan 2019, 21:43
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.In fact there will now be a far bigger load on the immigration authorities, so even more are likely to get through.
If they are getting overloaded, why could they not just say "no more" until they catch up, rather than relax the checking ?
If there's no room on the bus, tough, it'll go without you & you wait for the next one,,,,,,,,,,
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Old 4th Jan 2019, 21:47
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The main change in immigration would appear to be a restriction on EU people and a relaxation on non EU. Almost every Leaver I know was largely motivated in their voting by dislike of the latter.bits not Polish plumbers they dislike but brown people with an unhealthy interest in big knives. I can tell you with some degree of certainty that, as soon as this information filters through whatever else occupies the cranial space of these erstwhile supporters of Brexit they are going to be somewhat dischuffed by this latest move to import more potential trouble, as they see it.
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Old 4th Jan 2019, 21:59
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The main change in immigration would appear to be a restriction on EU people and a relaxation on non EU. Almost every Leaver I know was largely motivated in their voting by dislike of the latter.bits not Polish plumbers they dislike but brown people with an unhealthy interest in big knives. I can tell you with some degree of certainty that, as soon as this information filters through whatever else occupies the cranial space of these erstwhile supporters of Brexit they are going to be somewhat dischuffed by this latest move to import more potential trouble, as they see it.
Except that it ain't happening, so relax, you don't need to worry about it. (This is why the curry trade have switched from "leave" to "remain" and are somewhat pissed of about being lied to that it would become easier to import chefs. And of course no good #brexiteer would want to eat that nasty foreign muck, would they, so nothing lost.)
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Old 4th Jan 2019, 22:01
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If they are getting overloaded, why could they not just say "no more" until they catch up, rather than relax the checking ?
If there's no room on the bus, tough, it'll go without you & you wait for the next one,,,,,,,,,,
You'd better ask the Home Office why this principle has never been applied. Now, who was Home Secretary for six years?
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Old 5th Jan 2019, 04:55
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Now, it could just be me.buuuuuut, why do the opening shots of Ramsgate port sort of give the impression any ship bigger than a fishing smack arriving there is going to be a shade problematic when it comes to offloading the cargo, or say, xx number of lorries......and then there's the promotional bumf, always interesting to read and even more so when, erm, it's apparently, somewhat "economical with the truth "......but, no matter, because Chris has assured us, and doubtless there are those who believe him, that "due diligence " has taken place and thus all is well. Makes a change from "Scroggs and Shyster Airlines " all set to conquer the globe !..... with a couple of Chipmunks however.

https://www.channel4.com/news/ramsga...s-gather-steam


Here's the cast of this farce.....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...behind-venture
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Old 5th Jan 2019, 06:44
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If there is no boat in the harbour on the start date they don't get a penny.

And that management team sounds quite good compared to some of the AoC outfits I have worked for.

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Old 5th Jan 2019, 07:23
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If there is no boat in the harbour on the start date they don't get a penny.

And that management team sounds quite good compared to some of the AoC outfits I have worked for.

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Do they? I suggest you may not have been paying as much attention as the story warrants. Of course he other possibility is you pick some real doozies to work for.

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Old 5th Jan 2019, 07:52
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"Dredging for Brexit"
​​​​​​That nicely sums up the whole sordid enterprise.
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Old 5th Jan 2019, 08:00
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https://order-order.com/2019/01/04/u...werful-nation/

UK Ranked as World’s Second Most Powerful Nation

The UK has been ranked the world’s second most powerful nation despite Brexit. The Henry Jackson Society‘s Audit of Geopolitical Capability used a model involving four attributes, 33 indicators and 1240 potential data observations and placed the UK after the US but slightly ahead of China.

The Audit’s Chief Analyst, James Rogers, said that the UK voting to leave the EU “has had no discernible impact on the UK’s fundamental ability to apply itself around the World”, but does recommend increased R&D spend and armed forces’ projection capacities to prevent the UK falling behind, particularly in light of China’s naval buildup. Politicians who like to call Britain a small island in the North Atlantic would do well to read the report in full



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Old 5th Jan 2019, 08:07
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My biggest bugbear is that we haven't had any discussion on the issue that really matters, our dire financial position and how best to get out of it. Out in the Real World rather than the images spun by politicians grubbing for votes,our financial position has been going downhill for 25 years and we are currently spending some £3,000 per taxpayer more than we are earning, funded by selling off our companies, selling off our infrastructure and borrowing. That's all on top of the government's debts and liabilities where we are again living well beyond our means.

Against the implications of all of this,ferry services from Ramsgate are a pathetic distraction.

A pox on all politicians' houses.
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Old 5th Jan 2019, 08:37
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Judging by the current situation that pox has taken hold. Brexit is a direct result of the failure of both main political parties to attempt to at least live in the real world. This Ramsgategate farce is just the latest symptom of the extent that the pox has moved from the body to the brain.
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