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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 11:37
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
I wouldn't say its anywhere near 80% pro Brexit not even 50%. Personally I consider BBC pro remain and a mouth piece of project fear..
Well....personally I find it hard to listen/watch the BBC for any length of time because most of the time it seems to unquestionably toe the leave line and many of it’s presenters, especially those on Radio 4, will never ever put a high profile Brexiter on the spot with awkward questions (especially of a financial nature) and instead seem to prefer to give them pretty much unfettered airtime to air their views...

Just perhaps, given the divergence of opinion being displayed maybe the BBC isn’t actually biased at all......
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 11:46
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I guess it depends on your personal bias....

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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 11:52
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Occasionally if I am on a late duty, if I am early its still WS on radio 4 when I get up.

Must admit I pretty much switch off and don't listen when Brexit comes on any of the media. Which I suspect I am not alone in doing. In fact more than likely the reason why project fear has been an utter failure and the polls are still showing the same numbers -2% as they did two years ago.

Yes you get very small numbers both extreme's shouting and screaming when the daily/weekly new chapter comes out. But for most of us its doesn't change a thing.

The only reason why I keep an ear to it is because the suckers in the city fluctuate the fx depending on a bird fart in the chances of the UK staying in. Something in the morning and they get all excited and you buy some euros, afternoon someone from the Eu will say piss off and you sell them again plus a few more and then the profits pay your amazon.co.uk purchases for the month. Its been the same for the last 12 months. Pretty much completed my Makita 18V collection for me, my brother inlaw and father in law thanks to it. And quite why its 30% cheaper from UK amazon including postage than it is from Finland buying it locally I really have no clue.

Just perhaps, given the divergence of opinion being displayed maybe the BBC isnít actually biased at all......
That could be the case, also as you say it depends on which news editor is running the show. The economic predictions I am not surprised some of them are staying well clear of. All of it is works of fiction and pure opinion. Exit supporters tend not to commit to anything anyway and can always fall back onto well they haven't got anything right so far so why put any weight in the latest economic forecast. I don't think it changes anyones minds anyway.
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 13:34
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post


Well....personally I find it hard to listen/watch the BBC for any length of time because most of the time it seems to unquestionably toe the leave line and many of itís presenters, especially those on Radio 4, will never ever put a high profile Brexiter on the spot with awkward questions (especially of a financial nature) and instead seem to prefer to give them pretty much unfettered airtime to air their views...

Just perhaps, given the divergence of opinion being displayed maybe the BBC isnít actually biased at all......
You are having a giraffe wiggy? BBC is classic establishment remainers that just parrot the party line about how we desperately need mass immigration to keep the economy growing! And how we're all destined for doom and gloom if we dare to leave. Admittedly they have to keep a bit of a lid on it, given leave won the referendum, but it's a thin veneer of impartiality at best. This all, despite the fact many EU states have either already gone down the populist route or are on the verge of doing so, due to a combination of overly restrictive fiscal policy and too many years of open door immigration.

But hey, ho, let's just close our eyes and ears to the reality and cling to what we know, cos that's what works best for us champagne socialists, you know?
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 13:41
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You are having a giraffe wiggy? BBC is classic establishment remainers that just parrot the party line about how we desperately need mass immigration to keep the economy growing! And how we're all destined for doom and gloom if we dare to leave.
You see it that way, I don't and we can all seemingly find articles supporting the POV that the BBC is pro-Brexit or that the BBC is pro-remain.

For example in the article up -thread posted by Fitter we can find:

But these antics are nothing compared to those of the BBC. Leaving aside the Remain-heavy panels of Question Time, Marr and The Daily Politics Show and the very different treatment meted out to the minority of Leave supporters compared to the majority of guests/panellists who support Remain, buoyed by tacit support from government the broadcaster has, over the past few months, morphed from implicit to vocal Remain cheerleader.
and then from here we can find:

http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-an...nd-brexit-bias

BBC complaints have been flooded by Remainers angry at the BBC’s lack of coverage of anti-Brexit marches while giving Farage's tiny fish photo-ops much more time. The BBC's Nick Robinson hit back at critics with a piece warning that their focus would create a British version of Fox News.

Whether or not there's an agenda inside the BBC to push for Brexit, something just as pernicious is happening. The corporation has been frozen with fear after countless attacks from the reactionary right and is systematically failing to uphold its responsibilities for public education
Is it just possible the BBC have got it right and as Fitter says what we perceive is down to personal bias.
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 14:03
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It does seem to depend on what you look at or watch/listen to.

The reporting on the news text sight seems very alarmist and tabloid fear mongering.

​​​​​​But I am willing to accept the today program maybe oppersite. Especially as I have met one of its editors and she was extremely pro exit come to think of it.

I suspect an average it all equals out.

Anyway much like the discussions on here it's making no difference to what's going to happen.

​​​​​​Corbyn is the.key I think and his call for a GE at the first sign that it won't be a default exit with less than a month to go.
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 14:34
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
It does seem to depend on what you look at or watch/listen to.

The reporting on the news text sight seems very alarmist and tabloid fear mongering.

​​​​​​But I am willing to accept the today program maybe oppersite. Especially as I have met one of its editors and she was extremely pro exit come to think of it.
Yes, there *is* that (teeny, occasional) "reality check" spot on the web site, which may be what you're referring to, when garbage that has been spouted by #brexiteers on the Today programme is investigated and challenged. But if 2% of the Today programme audience manage to find that tiny hidden corner of the web site that's missing the point, a bit, isn't it? - the challenge should be on air, by the interviewer, at the time, not a week later in some small print hidden away somewhere.
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 15:05
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It's an old saying, but still true - what you can see depends entirely on where you are standing. The BBC gets criticised pretty well equally from all sides, so I reckon they must be somewhere in the middle.
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 15:25
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No I wouldn't have a clue what is on the today program website.

I really don't think any of the today programs listeners will be swayed either way on the subject what ever is broadcast. There is equal amounts of bullshite spoken by both sides.

A lot of bitching and moaning about what has been said by both sides. and also in the media.

The people you actually want to connect to got bored of it all before the vote was even made over two years ago now. There has been no change at all in general public feeling about Brexit as much as some would like others to believe.

Most are numb with it all and to be honest exit on the 29th they would be more than happy with because it would at least change the record. Extension just means months and years of the same chat.
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 15:45
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Most are numb with it all and to be honest exit on the 29th they would be more than happy with because it would at least change the record. Extension just means months and years of the same chat.
Er, no.

If we leave on 29th there will follow decades of negotiating trade deals - there won't be a day when #brexit isn't in the news. Quite apart from everything that happens to the country, good or bad, for years to come, will be claimed by one side or the other as a result of #brexit.

The only way to avoid decades of #brexit being in the news is to revoke A50.

But you knew that really, you were just having us on.
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 16:32
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cancelling Art50 won't stop anything it will just prolong everything. The Eu knows that and the UK pols know it as well.

Your still left with a sizable chunk of the UK population wanting out of the EU. And it won't go away. The EU has to get through a raft of changes which will be extremely unpopular in the UK and just restart everything. Plus the UK will veto core items which are required. The rebates were on the cards to get removed next budget anyway, that's just the start of the changes. And once you go against one referendum there is no excuse not to have another one and another and nothing will be finished either perm in or perm out. But it will hurt the Eu more than it will hurt the UK.

And it will be very quickly out the news, there will be people that will take it to their graves though just as there are with the poll tax and miners strike. But for the vast majority of the population it will at a finish inside 2 years.
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 16:41
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If you think leaving with a deal, no deal or staying in will lead the UK to anything other than decades of this as a defining issue taking up all the available political bandwidth then you're deluded. You are of course free to carry on insinuating that leaving on the 29th will bring some form of relief to a weary population & therefore is a good and necessary thing. I, equally am free to laugh at your latest absurd assertion.
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 16:53
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Well yet again like the economic effects there is not a single person out there with a clue how it will go or how long the topic will stay current post exit.

The thing is leaving will be final, deal or no deal. There is no way back in the current state. By the time there is even a remote chance of rejoining both the Uk and the Eu if its still exists will be completely different. There will be different faces and different reasons for being a member.

Cancelling Art50 then everything will start immediately again, and won't stop.
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 16:57
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
You see it that way, I don't and we can all seemingly find articles supporting the POV that the BBC is pro-Brexit or that the BBC is pro-remain.

For example in the article up -thread posted by Fitter we can find:



and then from here we can find:

What's actually going on with the BBC and Brexit bias?



Is it just possible the BBC have got it right and as Fitter says what we perceive is down to personal bias.
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 17:02
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For Seaborne read Brexit.
Signing up for an idea without a clue how it will work.
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 17:11
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
Well yet again like the economic effects there is not a single person out there with a clue how it will go or how long the topic will stay current post exit.

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OK, we're back to this again, I'm saying this for the nth time, if you believe this, then you're just not credible, as in incredible. If on the other hand you're merely an ideological hard line Brexit lunatic, then fair enough, at least I know you're lying for a reason, But either way, you cannot keep banging on that no one knows what Brexit will do & expect anyone with a passing acquaintance with the actual world to take you seriously, so please stop. The ferries were bad enough, now you're back to this rubbish.Sheesh.
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 17:16
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Not going to fall for that prove it with a credible source nonsense.

You can say Nth to the power Nth there is still nothing out there, and there certainly won't be anything produced in the 85 days to go before a default exit.

Nothing predicted so far has been anywhere near correct and there is no reason why they should suddenly get it right in 85 days.
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 17:16
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And which predictions about brexit being bad have not come true

The pound is at a virtual all time low
Our balance of trade worsens every month
We look stupid to most of the world
We have no trade agreements and will likely not even be in WTO when we leave
If as Brexiteers think the Eu screwed us over reflect on their view that as the Eu are useless bureaucrats they have still got one over on the shower of idiots and fantasists our government is composed of
Our government and to a degree parliament have shown themselves completely inept and self serving and yet we are voting to give these people back control-ha ha

So while not every prediction has come true most have to some degree or another
And we willl rejoin the EU inside ten years because they will have changed a bit and many of the leavers will be dead or senile
And Jeremy Corbyn is not a Trotskist any more than Boris Johnson is a Nazi -I wouldnt be so sure about Rees Mogg on that score though and what is wrong with some labour policies about taxing very rich people alot more and spending money on useful things like the NHS and not aircraft carriers which are totally totally pointless for the Uk today -they are about global power projection and as we have seen lately we cannot manage power projection in the Channel let alone the world . Of course if Corbyn does get elected that magically wont be democratic or the will of the people will it and he can be voted out after a while. leaving the Eu is a disaster and adivsiive one. I make no secret of being a stayer not a quitter and do not know anyone who voted remain who is willing to 'unite' . I know it sounds horribly elitist but tis true that all the peopel who know about the modern world and globalisation and its pitfalls voted remain and all the little Englanders and small businesses who cannot see past a few often well justified EU rules (that are only observed to the letter in UK and no where else) and do not realise their business depends on the strength of the UK economy not their list of clients .

And I am afraid people do have a clue as tyo how it will go - they may not be 100% right-that would be a fair comment but a lot of people do have more than a clue-and sadly fa lot of them are not British and yet they own vast parts of our national infrastructure, manufacturing and food chain. Some of them will want to get out because its just too difficult with us being a non EU country and some will want to exploit our weakness in regulation and oversight and currency . neither have the good of the UK at heart do they. Although fear not so long as we have people of the calibre of Grayling , Davis, Fox , Hunt in charge








many companies are elaving or planning to leave the UK
Immigration from the Eu will remain almost exactly the same as before
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 17:38
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I suspect Tesco's next missive will rely on pounds, shillings & pence to prove the future is unknowable. Whatever.

While ferries are on the boil, can someone tell me how a two year old company with no ships, assets or trading history in shipping and a frankly hilarious website even become aware, much less involved in a significant government tendering process?
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 17:45
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pound being low is not a bad thing.

The balance of trade has lowered for pretty much all western countries the Uk's change is less that Germany's. The good thing though is physical exports are up. Fiscal QA has been stopped and Germanys inflation is falling rapidly

Employment is up.

It is illegal for us to form any trade agreements while still a member of the EU.

We are in the WTO and will continue to be in the WTO, The arguments are about the preferred supplier allowances. The UK and the Eu want to split the current allowances and the rest of the members want to have the full allowance in both entities. The EU has exactly same problems with the WTO as the Uk has on that front.

Growth has still occurred and is in the same league as comparable countries.

The economy certainly hasn't tanked as predicted.

I can't see the EU letting the UK back in if it is still going by then what ever the UK population wants. There could be a ref with 99% turn out and 99% voting to join and they would still say piss off.

much less involved in a significant government tendering process?
there wasn't one. they sent out a request to all the UK registered shipping company's and they were the only one that replied
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