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Old 2nd Jan 2019, 13:23
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So the question is: why should the government hire through a middleman, who's going to want an additional profit, rather than hiring direct?
Possibly the government has finally realised that if it can't even run a government, it doesn't have a snowball in hell's chance of running a business (as proven by the history of nationalised industries)
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Old 2nd Jan 2019, 13:24
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I don't understand this one. Anytime in my career where I came up against public sector procurement, I was always told I must have over two years trading and a track record in that particular sector, references, referees and all the other compliance certification relevant to the industry sector. Have all these previous requirements now changed or was all the previous stuff just an excuse not to award contracts?
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Old 2nd Jan 2019, 14:06
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
An airline these days can be nothing much more than a ticket pricing algorithm. All the commodity stuff - web sites and aeroplanes and suchlike - can be hired in if and as necessary.

So the question is: why should the government hire through a middleman, who's going to want an additional profit, rather than hiring direct?
True GTW until, that is, it comes down to the little matter of crews, engineers and.......those other big lumps of metal called.....aircraft. Virtual airyplanes don't really generate something called revenue. But no matter because with Grayling firmly leading from the front, and with a track record second to non, what could possibly go wrong in the UK's hours / days / months / years / decades of need ahead.

The ferry debacle is almost a metaphor regarding Brexit really....along the abysmal failings of privatisation and the private sector happily being bailed out by the taxpayer when their avarice screws up the balance sheet.
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Old 2nd Jan 2019, 16:08
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And if anybody was still looking for confirmation that Grayling is not well in the head, we have the pronouncement from him that the increase in rail fares is all down to rail staff striking. Still, not to be outdone in the "dopey get" stakes, this morning we had Jeremy Hunt trumpeting his grand idea: That the UK could act as 'the invisible chain, linking democracies around the world...'. It seems to have escaped him but the country in which he said that is a member of an organisation, the Commonwealth of Nations. An organisation which, for good or bad, finds the UK acting as a link between democracies..etc. Meanwhile, he claims he had no idea that victims of forced marriages repatriated from overseas had to pay the F&CO costs and were even encouraged to go into debt to pay these costs. And to add a spot of blackmail into the equation, these victims would not be able to get another passport until the debt is paid. Dear Mr. Hunt; you are talking about victims of crime here. If Mrs Bloggs had her purse stolen she would no doubt be eligible for some sort of victim's compensation. Convicted criminals should be paying into that scheme. Why are these victims finding themselves having a different set of rules applied to them? Is it because they are "darkies"?
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Old 2nd Jan 2019, 16:56
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Andrewn,

What part of the phrase "once in a generation" do these people not get?
Me for one.

If we leave, don't like it, the ruling party proposes rejoin, why not?

Ditto should we cancel Brexit, why not restart the process after the next election?
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Old 2nd Jan 2019, 17:18
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Andrewn,



Me for one.

If we leave, don't like it, the ruling party proposes rejoin, why not?

Ditto should we cancel Brexit, why not restart the process after the next election?
Your first scenario will undoubtedly come about, and the price to pay (if you consider it a price) will be signing up to Schengen, the Single Currency, and membership devoid of all the various opt outs and budget rebates that UK governments managed to negotiate down the years. If the EU would have the UK back, and that's an almighty "if" then they'll make sure that the principal cheerleaders for the awkward squad won't have the same opportunities to waste the EU's time, and frustrate it's policies at every turn.

In the second scenario, if Art.50 were withdrawn and the next government tried to start it over then I think the EU would, to a country, say no, leave if you want, there's no negotiation - they must be thoroughly fed up with the UK as it is now, without re-opening the whole thing 5 years down the line!
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Old 2nd Jan 2019, 17:29
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With reference to the Ferry “issue”...

https://ted.europa.eu/TED/notice/udl?uri=TED:NOTICE:575971-2018:TEXTN:HTML&tabId=1


The extract below explains the tendering process, or possible lack of the same...


Section IV: Procedure

IV.1)Description
IV.1.1)Type of procedure
Award of a contract without prior publication of a call for competition in the Official Journal of the European Union in the cases listed below:

Extreme urgency brought about by events unforeseeable for the contracting authority and in accordance with the strict conditions stated in the directive.

Explanation:

A situation of extreme urgency exists in the context of UK-EU roll-on-roll-off ferry capacity by virtue of the UK leaving the EU on 29.3.2019 and the prospect that this exit may be on a no-deal basis. This extreme urgency arises from a combination of events, and the anticipated response to those events of a range of entities, including:

1) The possibility of severe congestion at and around UK ports from 29.3.2019, caused by increased border checks by European Union Member States, and consequently a significant reduction in capacity at ports on the short straits. It is anticipated that this could, without further intervention to secure additional ferry capacity, cause delivery of critical goods to be delayed and cause significant wider disruption to the UK economy and to the road network in Kent;

2) The significant lead times that are required to source additional ferry capacity which require action to be taken several months in advance of the capacity being required to be delivered and

3) Unexpected and unforeseeable limitations on the extent to which the market has to date been able to respond to these circumstances by putting in place contingency plans to deal with this scenario
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Old 2nd Jan 2019, 17:53
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So that translates as let's just give a contract to someone who may or may not have a couple of boats. Makes complete sense now.
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Old 2nd Jan 2019, 18:08
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ATNotts, so you agree that 'once in a lifetime' is as valid as £50m/day for the NHS.
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Old 2nd Jan 2019, 18:18
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What about asking the Russian navy to help out. They must have loads of naval assault vessels and they probably won't give way to immigrant rages either.
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Old 2nd Jan 2019, 20:39
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1) The possibility of severe congestion at and around UK ports from 29.3.2019, caused by increased border checks by European Union Member States, and ...
If this is the reason for engaging new shipping capacity on other routes, how will it help the situation?
The 'increased border checks' will naturally be applied also to any new routes, and the States will have no inducement to recruit and train new border staff. Staff will only be available by moving them from the original ports, thus causing even longer delays there.
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Old 2nd Jan 2019, 20:59
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"Your first scenario will undoubtedly come about, and the price to pay (if you consider it a price) will be signing up to Schengen, the Single Currency, and membership devoid of all the various opt outs and budget rebates that UK governments managed to negotiate down the years. If the EU would have the UK back, and that's an almighty "if" then they'll make sure that the principal cheerleaders for the awkward squad won't have the same opportunities to waste the EU's time, and frustrate it's policies at every turn."

"In the second scenario, if Art.50 were withdrawn and the next government tried to start it over then I think the EU would, to a country, say no, leave if you want, there's no negotiation - they must be thoroughly fed up with the UK as it is now, without re-opening the whole thing 5 years down the line!"


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Old 2nd Jan 2019, 22:28
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Davis Davis said today.


Be under no illusions. Leaving without a Withdrawal Agreement is not the same as leaving without agreements. There will be several deals in place, including membership of the Common Transit Convention and the WTO, a trade facilitation agreement, and others as set out recently by the EU. There is a shared interest in a good flow of traffic through our ports, and action is being taken to ensure trade continues sensibly.
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Old 2nd Jan 2019, 23:01
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
Davis Davis said today.


Be under no illusions. Leaving without a Withdrawal Agreement is not the same as leaving without agreements. There will be several deals in place, including membership of the Common Transit Convention and the WTO, a trade facilitation agreement, and others as set out recently by the EU. There is a shared interest in a good flow of traffic through our ports, and action is being taken to ensure trade continues sensibly.
Amazing how little he's actually said there. Laziest man in a government that can barely tie it's shoelaces. These people are existing in some kind of alternative universe, creating their own domains that bear no relation to geopolitical realities.

Got us into the WTO Dave? Great. Hang on a minute...
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 03:51
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It's always nice to read a positive story when it comes to Brexit and what could be more positive than giving support to a start up company ( c. C.Grayling ) as offered to the world yesterday in just about every interview he participated in.

And who could be better placed than the Grayling himself to understand matters ......certainly no mere local councillor !

However, astute readers will note a term everybody is certainly familiar with......"delayed due to operational reasons " which covers a multitude of reasons as we know, albeit not actually having something integral to the operation isn't generally one of them.

Today's Excess, clearly appealing to the readerships limited vocabulary, thoughtfully explains the Gov't will be launching a "publicity blitz! " to keep the nation aware of progress.....campaign would be more apt, but hey, when you need a bit of jingoistic fervour, what better emotive term than blitz.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...eight-no-ships
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 04:45
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Talking of David Davis...

A few more of his thoughts...
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 06:27
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I can't see what the fuss is about awarding a contract with no money up front to a new supplier.

Its not as if its the only supplier.

46mil to DFDS
42mil to Brittany
13mil to this lot

So 13% of it ear is marked. If they don't do anything then they get nothing.

What it does do though is give them a valid contract to get a credit line going to progress forward.

The other UK operators had zero interest and the only one that I know even a little bit about is Calmac and they have loads of issues themselves and zero spare capacity and boats are way to small. And it would mean they would have a base miles away from the current infrastructure.

I suppose it doesn't matter what they do, or for that matter not do, it will have you lot whinging.
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 06:53
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Grauniad:

”....Jeremy Corbyn has indicated he is still a long way from charting a course to a second Brexit referendum, as MPs prepare for the “meaningful vote” on Theresa May’s proposed withdrawal deal........

Labour decided at its annual conference in Liverpool to try to force a general election – only if that failed could a second referendum be considered. “The issue of another referendum was of course one of the options,” Corbyn said yesterday, “but that was very much after the votes have taken place in parliament.”

Corbyn said May should return to Brussels once her deal was voted down to find an agreement that Labour could support, including a full customs union.........”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...abour-can-back

.....”Corbyn and several of his closest allies have been both publicly and privately sceptical of the policy, and the Labour leader has said in a previous interview with the Guardian that the party would pursue a negotiated Brexit deal even if it won a snap general election.

Corbyn said May should return to Brussels once her deal is voted down to find an agreement that Labour could support, including a full customs union.

“What we will do is vote against having no deal, we’ll vote against Theresa May’s deal; at that point she should go back to Brussels and say, ‘This is not acceptable to Britain’ and renegotiate a customs union, form a customs union with the European Union to secure trade,” he said..........


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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 06:54
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"I don't have direct experience, but from my increasingly frequent observation as a 55 year old, there is no such thing as a good death, just death which is always horrible and sometimes horrendous in its final stages. Brexit will be no exception."

Remainer Andrew Adonis.

Barking, absolutely barking!
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 07:23
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
I can't see what the fuss is about awarding a contract with no money up front to a new supplier.

Its not as if its the only supplier.

46mil to DFDS
42mil to Brittany
13mil to this lot

So 13% of it ear is marked. If they don't do anything then they get nothing.

What it does do though is give them a valid contract to get a credit line going to progress forward.

The other UK operators had zero interest and the only one that I know even a little bit about is Calmac and they have loads of issues themselves and zero spare capacity and boats are way to small. And it would mean they would have a base miles away from the current infrastructure.

I suppose it doesn't matter what they do, or for that matter not do, it will have you lot whinging.
Ah yes, getting credit....always useful for the balance sheet and what better source of credit than ?.......the UK taxpayer c/o the UK Gov't. !

On the basis of your lack of understanding however, would you book a series of flights with an airline that has never actually operated an aircraft, has no fleet or crews / engineers and yet is offering seats to a range of destinations ....all on paper.

Calmac may yet have a role to play however.....some of their ships, the little ones, are very similar to landing craft with the bit at the front wot drops down so any available beach on the South Coast could be used really.
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