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Old 25th Oct 2018, 03:56
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Wiki has a good long read regarding the Uyghurs, perhaps not quite as Caucasoid/European as some have made them out to be: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghurs
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Old 25th Oct 2018, 10:28
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We, of course, have taken the decision to trade with these countries that have different values to us - China, Saudi, African countries, South American Countries, U.S etc. rather than trade with people of similar moral values to us i.e. Europe. We therefore have to tread carefully when dealing with these countries, from an economic viewpoint anyway.
Sorry slight thread drift to that unmentionable subject B*****T.
Every nation has different values to each other, at a greater or lesser extent.
We have not at this point in time. Just !! decided to trade with countries outside of the E.U.
To bring Brexit into the discussion about the way China's abhorrent actions towards its Muslim population is crass.

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Old 25th Oct 2018, 12:28
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“Try bringing a bible into Saudi Arabia..(etc)”. Are we even thinking about what point that sort of comment is attempting to prove ? Shocking evidence of hundreds of thousands of people rounded up and incarcerated -but mentioning another bit of oppression somewhere else makes it all ok??
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Old 25th Oct 2018, 14:30
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The recent push for separation is almost certainly based on increasing religiosity and may be attracting funding and support from the middle-east and the neighbouring '-stans'.
Or is it because there has been an increased level of religious suppression that triggered pushback in the form of increased separatist support?
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Old 25th Oct 2018, 21:23
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Or is it because there has been an increased level of religious suppression that triggered pushback in the form of increased separatist support?
That's chicken and the egg stuff for which I have no answer.
But, from what I have read, the crowd funding is definitely a factor.
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 04:04
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Rooster .
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The Rooster always finishes first
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 09:56
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Presumably if we were seeing the first evidence of Nazi concentration camps we’d be offering reasons to validate them? Rounding up and imprisoning hundreds of thousands of people isn’t what civilised countries do. Why does China get a free pass? Yet China DOES care very much what the world says and thinks. That’s why they’ve gone to such extreme lengths to keep it secret and to (laughably) maintain the fiction of these razor-wire shrouded buildings being “schools”. It mustn’t be normalised with ludicrous whataboutery.

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Old 26th Oct 2018, 13:36
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Try bringing a Bible into Saudi Arabia.

Or a one foot Christmas tree in a suitcase as the children of a colleague tried.
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 17:05
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But it's OK for muslim countries to subjugate other religions?
Where are you from? How's the native population doing? How do many of the immigrant population respond to people speaking a language not their 'native tongue'. Clue in the name 'English'. It's not yours.
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Old 27th Oct 2018, 05:57
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This has little to do with Uyghurs or Islam in particular. There are laws against sedition and engaging in separatist activities. If any person is rebelling against the state or pushing for separation they run the risk of some sort of punishment. If there is a high percentage of people in a particular group engaging in these activities then that group is more likely to be targeted. China probably has a lower threshold for these activities and if you happen to be an innocent member of that group it could obviously seem unfair. It is not a perfect system but it does have some workability. Outlawing long beards and head scarfs could hardly be deemed a “harsh penalty” or a major form of persecution. The wife may be glad to get rid of the beard.
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Old 27th Oct 2018, 08:53
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How about Saudi Arabia and it's subjugation of everyone but male muslims with money?, hypocrisy is everywhere, this world is not a place for balance, fairness or equality................it's just one big load of bollox
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Old 27th Oct 2018, 10:20
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Originally Posted by Cool Guys View Post
This has little to do with Uyghurs or Islam in particular. There are laws against sedition and engaging in separatist activities. If any person is rebelling against the state or pushing for separation they run the risk of some sort of punishment. If there is a high percentage of people in a particular group engaging in these activities then that group is more likely to be targeted. China probably has a lower threshold for these activities and if you happen to be an innocent member of that group it could obviously seem unfair. It is not a perfect system but it does have some workability. Outlawing long beards and head scarfs could hardly be deemed a “harsh penalty” or a major form of persecution. The wife may be glad to get rid of the beard.
Good point. The Chinese authorities seem to clamp down on any individual or group that doesn’t meet the party standard - I’m not sure this is a policy particularly singling out Islam, although this is the case that’s been highlighted. They’ve persecuted all sorts of racial and/or religious groups who aren’t part of the homogenous populace they want to achieve. During the Cultural Revolution even men and women were expected to look exactly the same.

The ironic thing is; all these protests we have about injustices by the West against minorities, would be be quashed without question under Chinese rule.
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 12:23
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/w...hurs-l59d88zxn

China condemned for sterilisation of Uighurs

China has been accused of displaying an “utter disregard for the sanctity of life” after a German researcher claimed Beijing had used mass sterilisation and forced abortions to suppress birth rates in its restive Uighur minority by as much as 80 per cent.

The report, based on leaked Chinese communist party (CCP) documents, suggested that up to 34 per cent of married Uighur women of reproductive age had been targeted with a campaign of sterilisation surgery and contraceptive implants. The authorities in the province of Xinjian aimed to sterilise at least 80 per cent of women who were capable of having children in four southern districts, according to Adrian Zenz, senior fellow in China studies at the Victims of Communism foundation in Washington DC.

China has dismissed the allegations as “baseless” but Mike Pompeo, the US secretary of state, has begun rallying an international campaign to end the “horrific practices”....... Lord Patten of Barnes, the last British governor of Hong Kong, told Bloomberg that the campaign “arguably” amounted to genocide.

The Uighurs, a mainly Muslim people of Turkic origin, make up about 40 per cent of the 25 million inhabitants of Xinjiang, a notionally autonomous region in the far northwest of China. After decades of unrest against Chinese rule, Beijing has tightened its grip on the province through draconian measures including mass arrests, biometric surveillance technology, the destruction of dozens of mosques and “re-education” internment camps in which some detainees claim to have been tortured.

Dr Zenz, who played a leading role in uncovering human rights abuses in the camps, has previously argued that this campaign was tantamount to “cultural genocide”.

His latest research argues that the government deliberately set out to reduce Uighur birth rates through intrauterine devices (IUDs), contraceptive tools that are inserted into the womb, and tubal ligation surgery, where the fallopian tubes are blocked in order to prevent a woman’s eggs from being fertilised.

One prefecture in Xinjiang allegedly intended to use this “family planning work” to almost entirely eradicate its birth rate, reducing the number of births from 11.45 per 1,000 inhabitants in 2018 to 1.05. Birth rates in the two largest Uighur-majority prefectures of Xinjiang fell by 84 per cent from 2015 5o 2018 and may have declined further since, according to Dr Zenz’s calculations.

The Chinese foreign ministry said there was no truth to the report and accused Dr Zenz of acting on “ulterior motives”.



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