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Jamal Khashoggi....so what happened then??

Old 14th Oct 2018, 15:35
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Some countries do not respect that Embassies are Sovereign soil . Iran , Libya for example have attacked embassies when it suits them .
But I do not remember the Saudis abusing Embassy Sovereignty. So technically anything that happened to this dual national happened to him when he was under the Sovereign control of the land of one of his nationalities and none of our business.
He was an educated man and should have known the risks of criticizing an absolute ruler. Pick a fight and lose .So sad ,too bad ,oh dear .
Dem the rules of the game ,do no like it .Do not play .
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Old 14th Oct 2018, 15:54
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Originally Posted by meadowrun View Post
This just in:
Saudi Arabia is angry over Khashoggi murder accusations.
Promises retaliations if any sanctions are imposed.
Can we expect military actions - or will the matter be swept under the (magic) carpet?
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Old 14th Oct 2018, 16:07
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Can we expect military actions
Not a chance, unless you include arms sales in that category.
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Old 14th Oct 2018, 17:51
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Originally Posted by fitliker View Post
So technically anything that happened to this dual national happened to him when he was under the Sovereign control of the land of one of his nationalities and none of our business.
Is this a wind-up ?
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Old 14th Oct 2018, 18:59
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Why would you think you can tell another country what it can or cannot do ?
How would you feel if they told you what you can do in what is your country ?
First without sin can cast the first stone .
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Old 14th Oct 2018, 19:05
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Pick a fight and lose .So sad ,too bad ,oh dear .
Dem the rules of the game ,do no like it .Do not play .
​​​​​​​One of the daftest posts I have seen for a long time.
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Old 14th Oct 2018, 20:15
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We have about a million people in the UK pleading that their lives are in danger if the go back to their own country.

This guy just walked in.
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Old 14th Oct 2018, 21:28
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Originally Posted by fitliker View Post
Pick a fight and lose .So sad ,too bad ,oh dear .
Dem the rules of the game ,do no like it .Do not play .
With this kind of mentality we would all still be living in the middle age....


oh, wait! Saudis/Middle age!?
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Old 14th Oct 2018, 21:51
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So technically anything that happened to this dual national happened to him when he was under the Sovereign control of the land of one of his nationalities and none of our business.
From the same source:

”Any offences committed in diplomatic premises in the are triable under the ordinary principles of host nation law, subject to the principles of diplomatic immunity for those who have it. Those who do not have this status (whatever their nationality) can be prosecuted as normal,”

Since the team of 15 reported to be involved were not diplomatic accredited staff, then the offences will have occurred under Turkish, not Saudi Arabian, law.
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Old 15th Oct 2018, 01:13
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We need to keep an open mind.

The missing person may have just had an unfortunate accident, like tripping down the cellar steps to where the guard dogs are kept before their night guard duties. Has anybody tested their feces for evidence of human material?.
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Old 15th Oct 2018, 01:55
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Not many seats left on the outrage bus .
Next stop nothing , east nowhere .

A bit Blackadder , how accidents befall those who insult absolute totalitarian rulers?

​​​​​​Usually those refugees do not return until they have a permanent residence card and a shipload of free stuff . Then it is bring the fours wives and ten grandparents and thirty seven cousin's in for free stuff .

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Old 15th Oct 2018, 13:39
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A Saudi interviewee on Al Jazeera claims Khashoggi was wearing a smart watch which was set to record and this was synchronized to his smart phone . Hence the live audio recording of events, I suppose thatís possible ?
No, it's not. He has been photographed with an Apple Smart Watch 3. It communicates with an iPhone by Bluetooth and Version 3 can access the internet if it has an account - but there are no suitable services provided for this in Turkey. Even if his iPhone was in Bluetooth range and connected to the internet, the watch recording function must be switched off before the recorded content can be manually transferred - watch recordings are not "streamed". I doubt if he would be able to do this while being tortured - and he definitely couldn't do it after he'd been killed.
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Old 15th Oct 2018, 13:49
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I suspect the fake story about the Apple watch recording may, in part, have been a cover for illicit recordings that Turkey may have made. It wouldn't surprise me at all if we find out at some point that the consulate was bugged, not that I think Turkey is going to want to own up to that, if it was.
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Old 15th Oct 2018, 15:18
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It wouldn't surprise me at all if we find out at some point that the consulate was bugged, not that I think Turkey is going to want to own up to that, if it was.
All parties will do whatever is in their best interest whether above board or not (just like the US Congress)
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Old 15th Oct 2018, 19:27
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I suspect the fake story about the Apple watch recording may, in part, have been a cover for illicit recordings that Turkey may have made. It wouldn't surprise me at all if we find out at some point that the consulate was bugged, not that I think Turkey is going to want to own up to that, if it was.
Agreed VP, strongly also suspect this was the case. The Saudi's complete and utter denial is farcical and further down the line they may hope this blows over in a hazy he did she did they did possibly doubt ridden scenario. The weight of evidence against them however is overwhelming, you can even remove components of the evidence and it is still overwhelming. I don't think they'll fool anyone to be honest, this is almost as clear cut as you can get.
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Old 15th Oct 2018, 19:51
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Except I wonder about good ole Turkey. Release the pastor all of sudden during the incident after two years? (Why?) Think that will be enough to get them back in Donald's good books?
There is still the possibility of a conspiracy by Turkey against Saudi. This all occurred in the Turkish controlled playground. What does Turkey have ongoing against the Saudis at the mo'? Ergodan doesn't like any media one bit unless they are his pets. How many does he have locked up since the grande coup?

All Saudi has to do if they have no guilt is to release every bit of surveillance data they have from the embassy. I am quite sure that embassy is wired for sound and video pretty well over every square foot. They are not doing that.

Hold on...late breaking news......Saudi lets Turkish investigators into embassy. How much of embassy?
And some media saying Saudis are preparing to say he was indeed killed, but as a result of an interrogation that went wrong.
You know like the - He was shot while trying to escape - type thing.
Now, above all, protect MBS.
Lie, lie, some more lies......lie.......

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Old 15th Oct 2018, 19:52
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I thought it brave that Trump has sent Pomeo to Saudi to enquire from Salman about the well-being of Khashoggi.
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Old 15th Oct 2018, 20:15
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If the antecedents to this scandal are considered it will be quite obvious that there is nothing sinister and the whereabouts of this chap should be obvious to anyone with a modicum of common sense.
It would appear the missing person originally called at his consulate in the USA, where he was told to shove off and go to their Consulate in Istanbul as the marriage was to take place in Turkey. So he dutyfully went and knocked on the door of his consulate in Istanbul. There he was told to come back in 10 days by which time his paperwork would be ready and waiting for him. Would it not therefore reasonable to conclude, he may have completed the wrong application form or owing to the renown hospitality of such as the Saudis, may well have been issued with a one way ticket to wed with seven guaranteed virgin brides instead of just one without a Consular guarantee stamp. All quite innocent and simply explainable reallly, so what`s all the fuss.
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Old 15th Oct 2018, 20:57
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Trump is already parroting the fall-back position, that Mr. Khashoggi might have been killed by "rogue agents" of Saudi Arabia. That's okay then?

We should stand by for this team of 15 Saudis, at least those who do not have diplomatic status, to be sent back to Turkey to stand trial, when the man who ordered them sent turns out to be shocked, simply shocked that they went off to Istanbul on their own to scrag this fellow.

By the way, an embassy or consulate is not "sovereign soil." Those are premises which are immune from intrusion under all but extraordinary circumstances but the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul is on Turkish soil, and I assume that extra-judicial killing is not allowed to be done in Turkey by foreign nationals.
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Old 15th Oct 2018, 21:16
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When do we get the TV interview with the 15 tourists?
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