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Jamal Khashoggi....so what happened then??

Old 12th Oct 2018, 18:31
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Per, I'll grant you Mossad is not perfect.
I've read a couple of books, other source material about them and know a former one of them and in the end, think that there is much pond scum not breathing this world's air thanks to them and that is a good thing.
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Old 12th Oct 2018, 19:15
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Originally Posted by meadowrun View Post
Per, I'll grant you Mossad is not perfect.
I've read a couple of books, other source material about them and know a former one of them and in the end, think that there is much pond scum not breathing this world's air thanks to them and that is a good thing.
That may well be, but I'm a law and order guy and no fan of vigilantes, executions without trial and state terrorism. I don't care which flag they operate under, including my own.
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Old 12th Oct 2018, 19:57
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The world gets nastier and nastier.
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Old 12th Oct 2018, 20:06
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Extensive reporting on:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/...133542286.html

Including covert audio and video evidence of the assasination and identification of eight of the hit squad.
This story of brutality and barbarism makes our Skripal affair look so civilised and humane.
The interesting bit is whether evidence will ever come to light.
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Old 12th Oct 2018, 21:28
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Was he any relation to Adnan Khashoggi ?

Or is Khashoggi the equivalent of Smith and Wilson in the UK or Schmidt and Mueller in Germany ??

If he, in fact, is related then maybe he knew just a bit too much about how The West made and continues to keep the zillionaires in the Erga Palace in the manner to which they are accustomed.

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Old 12th Oct 2018, 21:39
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Was he any relation to Adnan Khashoggi ?
Yes - his nephew.
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Old 12th Oct 2018, 21:54
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What changed? Why was he now this target?
If he had the slightest suspicion this could happen to him on Saudi Diplomatic Territory, for some reason worthy of what allegedly happened, it is highly unlikely he would have gone there, and apparently, with advance notice..
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Old 12th Oct 2018, 22:17
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I'm sure state sponsored murder/ assassination has always been a thing but we seem to be entering a new era of brazeness.
Is this a result of the old order being shown, over decades, to be toothless tiger or because the new order has every nation so wrapped up in their own fate there is no room (or appetite) for the common good to be upheld?
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Old 12th Oct 2018, 22:56
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A Saudi interviewee on Al Jazeera claims Khashoggi was wearing a smart watch which was set to record and this was synchronized to his smart phone . Hence the live audio recording of events, I suppose thatís possible ? if true it would make for pretty damning evidence.... Being invited to an embassy and not coming out again or being immediately arrested is a favourite tactic apparently...
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Old 13th Oct 2018, 00:26
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Suspect it was a bodged abduction attempt resulting in likely accidental death, they aren't exactly professional in anything our Saudi friends and they certainly aren't averse to a bit of torture.

Problem now is that the Saudis are digging a huge ditch for themselves with no way out which is precisely what you'd expect them to do, stick their heads in the sand so to speak.

Can't say it's not about time for a sea change which I suspect many have been waiting for the right moment to pounce.
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Old 13th Oct 2018, 01:30
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I wonder if Erdogan's protests are more of a shakedown for large amounts of Saudi dollars or his personal fortune along with more public investments in Turkey to keep it afloat.

Once the deal is sealed, I would imagine the Turks protests and further cooperation with others worldwide will suddenly melt away.
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Old 13th Oct 2018, 02:05
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The unexpected release of the pastor speaks volumes... think he is trying to rebuild US relations... it's gonna be tough for Turkey to back down from their statements as even unsourced they are pretty unequivocal.
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Old 13th Oct 2018, 02:47
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Originally Posted by meadowrun View Post
The world gets nastier and nastier.
I suspect the world has always been this nasty. Itís just we are hearing about it more now.
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Old 13th Oct 2018, 19:39
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Originally Posted by rjtjrt View Post


I suspect the world has always been this nasty. Itís just we are hearing about it more now.
Spot on ! With the advent of IT we can now get the news instantly. The trouble is, it does not suite the purpose of those who crave for power and wealth, hence journalism is fast becoming a very risky occupation.
According to World Atlas topping the charts for most journalists banged up in prison is Turkey, with China in second place and Egypt in third. Saudi does not feature, perhaps because theirs pass prison and go straight to the chopping block.
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Old 13th Oct 2018, 19:58
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According to World Atlas topping the charts for most journalists banged up in prison is Turkey.
Indeed, so it is a bit rich indignation coming from the mouth of Erdogan, still, anything that will give the Saudi "Government" a whipping is alright in my book and long overdue. If it weren't for oil of course they'd still be .... (and are in mentality) not allowed to mention such words though so imagination is best.
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Old 13th Oct 2018, 21:22
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Must be a dilemma for them. Depleting oil reserves. Depleting need for oil. Not really much left in resources other than sand for concrete, artificial beaches, sand bags.........
Family (15,000 or so in the royal family there) has around a trillion, there's that sovereign fund. Tourism? - who really wants to go other ther than the Mecca pilgrims? Lot's of cheaper places to go with lots of barren land, debilitating heat and suffocating religious culture.
Manufacturing? Anyone ever bought something labeled "Made in Saudi Arabia" other than maybe a rug?
Maybe call centres would keep their people gainfully occupied.
A lot of people to keep in the manner they have been accustomed to.
They do seem to be swinging beyond their weight lately. That Canada thing...... They seem to think we could give a damn.
They think they have an ironclad friend in Donald and the 33 year old boss is not too smart or enlightened.

For reference. The British Royal Family has 24 members. (and a bunch lessers, sort of in but not really for the full blown royal type stuff)
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Old 14th Oct 2018, 04:46
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Is a Consulate Sovereign like an Embassy ?
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Old 14th Oct 2018, 12:35
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Originally Posted by meadowrun View Post
Must be a dilemma for them. Depleting oil reserves. Depleting need for oil. Not really much left in resources other than sand for concrete, artificial beaches, sand bags.........
Family (15,000 or so in the royal family there) has around a trillion, there's that sovereign fund. Tourism? - who really wants to go other ther than the Mecca pilgrims? Lot's of cheaper places to go with lots of barren land, debilitating heat and suffocating religious culture.
I heard recently the entire Middle East (excluding Israel) total GDP without oil would be less than Finland.
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Old 14th Oct 2018, 13:38
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This just in:
Saudi Arabia is angry over Khashoggi murder accusations.
Promises retaliations if any sanctions are imposed.

Saudi Arabia had previously promised to help Turkey in the investigation. Sent (another) team.
No actual help has actually been forthcoming. Turkey has not been allowed any access to the consulate/embassy.
Would any investigative force ever contemplate allowing the prime subject in a criminal case assist in the investigation of that case?
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Old 14th Oct 2018, 15:00
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Is a Consulate Sovereign like an Embassy ?
".....Diplomatic premises are inviolable and may not be entered without the consent of the Ambassador or Head of Mission. The definition of diplomatic premises is buildings or part of buildings and the land ancillary thereto, irrespective of ownership, used for the purposes of the mission including the residence of the head of mission.

Similarly, consular premises are inviolable and may not be entered without the consent of the heard of the consular post or the head of the diplomatic mission. The definition of consular premises is buildings or parts of buildings and the land ancillary thereto, irrespective of ownership, used exclusively for the purposes of the consular post.".....
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