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Westminster car crash: Man arrested on suspicion of terror offences

Old 14th Aug 2018, 18:51
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I'm guessing this one probably isn't the Chief Constable's bridge partner.
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Old 14th Aug 2018, 20:44
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Why does TM bang on about this is not going to divide us... I want to be divided from some potential terrorist!
So what's the best way to do that.
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Old 14th Aug 2018, 20:51
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I'm guessing this one probably isn't the Chief Constable's bridge partner.
just as well, he failed miserably at navigating Westminster bridge.

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Old 14th Aug 2018, 20:53
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A lot of people want to mow down cyclists but of course do not actually do it.
It is partly BJs fault because he is such a lying sleaze who will keep putting his knows into situations that are none of his business until he becomes either our second Churchill , or more likely , our first Hitler
The BBC report would give many Brits the vapours as none of the witnesse, Cam phone artists nor reporters had 'english ' names
The police were able to respond en-masse and quickly because they do not do anything else , they certainly do not pursue or try and prevent any crime that is likely to touch Joe public.
I thought Theresa Mays comment idiotic , hardly a surprise of course, because it didnt seem that anyone really batted an eyelid
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Old 14th Aug 2018, 23:57
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I'm guessing this one probably isn't the Chief Constable's bridge partner.
I think that can safely be said

Trump Tweet on the Attack:
"These animals are crazy and must be dealt with through toughness and strength!"
True to form at least!
You won't hear that from Theresa May!
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Old 15th Aug 2018, 08:11
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Named as Salih Khater, a Sudanese immigrant, living in Birmingham.

Driving around with no idea of a target using a light weight Ford Fiesta before ramming a heavy eight steel barrier would seem to indicate he isn’t the sharpest tool in the terrorist toolbox.

”Police said he left West Midlands late on Monday night and spent hours driving around central London sparking suspicions he was looking for large crowds of tourists.”
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Old 15th Aug 2018, 08:19
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.........would seem to indicate he isn’t the sharpest tool in the terrorist toolbox.,,,,,,,
The ones with the explosive vest seldom are.

But really easy to coerce and manipulate,
Just about your stereotypical suicide bomber, car driver, or whatever.

I'll presume that police are right now looking for his "really good friends".
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Old 15th Aug 2018, 08:53
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spent hours driving around central London sparking suspicions he was looking for large crowds of tourists.
How would they know that? He's not cooperating.

Is there a trend here? Failed immigrants who have realized the streets are not paved with gold and you don't get given a house, job and lots of cash as advertised and it's oh so hard, deciding to hit back under some holy pretext?
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Old 15th Aug 2018, 08:57
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CCTV. Everywhere in London, can back track from Westminster.
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Old 15th Aug 2018, 08:59
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”Police said he left West Midlands late on Monday night and spent hours driving around central London sparking suspicions he was looking for large crowds of tourists.”
In the early hours of the morning! what a clutz, thank god.
I still think he got spooked which is why he acted when he did.

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Old 15th Aug 2018, 10:49
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APNR/CCTV has the car parked up near Tottenham Court Road between about 01:30 to 5:30.
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Old 15th Aug 2018, 12:20
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I tend to agree with Bee rexit. Saw the Police vehicles and panicked when the ambulance on blues and two's came up behind him.
Do wonder if mental health more than terrorist ideaology will be behind this. Of course, the two aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.
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Old 15th Aug 2018, 12:42
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I tend to agree with Bee rexit. Saw the Police vehicles and panicked when the ambulance on blues and two's came up behind him.
Do wonder if mental health more than terrorist ideaology will be behind this. Of course, the two aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.
I think there have to be some mental health issues with many of those who find themselves brainwashed into undertaking action like this. There have always been people in society who are more susceptible to being so heavily influenced by those who seek to manipulate others that they will commit serious crimes, even kill themselves, for their beliefs. It's not restricted to any one religion, either. We've had massacres and mass suicides from all sorts of cults, which implies that there have always been susceptible people in our midst. The question is whether we choose to define such a susceptibility as being a mental illness, or just a normal variation. I'm inclined to believe that it's not a mental illness, but is closely related to the personalty and particular state of mind of an individual at the time when they fall under the influence of those who seek to control them.
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Old 15th Aug 2018, 12:56
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You can take the "mental health" "excuse" to extremes, though, and lock people up in mental hospitals for life for "having a child outside wedlock" or "criticising the government", because obviously anyone who does any of those things is too mad to be allowed out on their own safely.
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Old 15th Aug 2018, 12:59
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Of course Brexit will stop all of this won't it ha ha

The question that needs to be asked is what on earth grounds are there for giving someone like this UK citizenship, Sudanese for gods sake, a place that has been mired in trouble and strife for decades. It the non EU part of the world we need to stop coming to the UK and through laziness on behalf of successive governments and incompetence and indifference by civil service and agencies we have so many unsuitable citizens here in first place.
Easy fix, reciprocity -if a Brit cannot get citizenship in a country no citizen of that country can come here . For Aussies and others drop the UK grandparents allwoance and cut if back to applicant or parent must be UK born and countries like Bermuda where they can come to Uk but there isn't a cat in hells chance of going there other than on holiday and yes we need to see how much cash you ahve got and your return ticket. . And on that note for the more afterburner temperature jet blast folk how do they feel about a Bermudian court sentencing a violent psychotic child molester who is a Bermudian to a spell in a UK secure hospital. Thats just what we need
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Old 15th Aug 2018, 13:04
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It is interesting how at pains the media have been to say "he's a British citizen" Doesn't it tske more than a tick in a box to belong to a country?

Gertrude you're absolutely right. I deal with people everyday with a whole range of mental health issues. It rarely means they are acting without thought or knowledge
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I tend to agree that there’ll always be people who’ll be easily radicalised by something. See how many recovering addicts or those suffering with mental health issues tend to find religion. Just replace the lurking jehova or similar religious nut with someone with a terrorist ideology and the some of the most vulnerable in society suddenly can become the most dangerous.

When I was growing up, I always despised the IRA, why the hell would I want to kill innocent people, regardless of political view or religious belief? Not everyone has that filter, and as such wind them up enough and they’ll be capable of anything. These groups are also perfect opportunities for psychopaths to murder with “justification “. I’ve read Jihadi John or whatever that “celebrity” British ISIS executioner was called was genuinely a psychpath, and would have likely been a serial murderer even if he’d never ended up where he did. Likewise there was a guy in the UVF in the 70s and 80s who was a prolific serial killer, his name escapes me but IIRC he died of cancer before ever being brought to justice, not to mention the RUC tended to turn a blind eye to loyalists into that sort of thing.
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Old 15th Aug 2018, 13:14
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How would they know that? He's not cooperating.

Is there a trend here? Failed immigrants who have realized the streets are not paved with gold and you don't get given a house, job and lots of cash as advertised and it's oh so hard, deciding to hit back under some holy pretext?
Probably racked up a load of congestion charges.
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Old 15th Aug 2018, 15:27
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Old 15th Aug 2018, 15:51
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
You can take the "mental health" "excuse" to extremes, though, and lock people up in mental hospitals for life for "having a child outside wedlock" or "criticising the government", because obviously anyone who does any of those things is too mad to be allowed out on their own safely.
You can indeed. Happened to a late Aunt bless her. She decided she preferred writing letters to the great and the good, she was actually very articulate and received replies some of which led to regular correspondence but rather than work, she just wanted to chill out under a tree or wherever, Today, she would just be seen as living a harmless alternative lifestyle. but not back in the early / mid 1900's ( an era dear to many on JB ) so she was incarcerated in Talgarth hospital and spent her life there, mental health treatment being along the lines of lock them away, problem solved.

" Likewise there was a guy in the UVF in the 70s and 80s who was a prolific serial killer, his name escapes me"

I am aware, and this came from a reliable source,, of another who was considered so dangerous both factions came to a "mutual agreement " as to the conclusion of his career so to speak.

Back to the incident and, as others have said, he fits the JB narrative perfectly, but, when you read the BBC's account ( the BBC are also highly thought of by the same demographic ) the "What do we know " profile of him doesn't equate to being a terrorist albeit we don't know if he has been radicalised...as yet. The fact the police are treating this as a terror related incident, given the circumstances and location, is fairly obvious because if they didn't then they would be crucified in the media and by MP's alike

Very interesting interview on last nights C4 news, conducted by K G-M with a former Chief Supt which is worth watching.....for those who elected to miss it.

https://www.channel4.com/news/former...more-resources
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