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Old 11th Oct 2020, 07:10
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Just makes me wonder who is picking up the bills. 5 star lawyers like this don’t come cheap....

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/m...tles-vgj95xjvq

#MeToo and 9/11 lawyers join all-star team defending Isis ‘Beatles’

The jihadists from Britain known as the Isis “Beatles” are assembling an all-star legal team, including a top US lawyer who represented the 9/11 attackers, to defend them in America against charges of kidnapping and murdering western hostages.

One of the experts hired by El Shafee Elsheikh, 32, and Alexanda Kotey, 36, previously acted for Rose McGowan, the first actress to accuse the disgraced Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein of rape. Another member of the defence team, which is expected to be funded by the public purse, has represented a Catholic archbishop defrocked by the Pope......

Kotey and Elsheikh were secretly flown to America last week from a US military base in Iraq after their capture in Syria in 2018. The Londoners, who have been stripped of their British citizenship, appeared via videolink at a federal court in Alexandria, Virginia, to face eight counts each of involvement in the torture and murder in Syria of western hostages. They pleaded not guilty.....

Elsheikh’s lawyers include a roster of terrorism experts. His trump card is likely to be Edward B MacMahon, who travelled to Guantanamo Bay to represent Walid bin Attash, a key planner of the September 11 attacks on New York and Washington in 2001, and the bombing of the USS Cole warship in Yemen a year earlier. MacMahon also acted for Zacarias Moussaoui, the so-called “20th hijacker” in the 9/11 atrocity........

Elsheikh’s defence team also includes Jessica Carmichael, who acted last year for Nicholas Young, a former US police officer and convert to Islam convicted of providing support to Isis. Before that, Carmichael represented McGowan when she was accused of drug possession during her battle with Weinstein......

A third attorney hired by Elsheikh is Nina Ginsberg, a leading criminal lawyer based in Virginia with experience of sensitive national security cases.

Kotey, meanwhile, has appointed Barry Coburn, another veteran, best known for defending Theodore McCarrick, the former archbishop of Washington. McCarrick, 90, was defrocked by Pope Francis last year after a Vatican investigation found him guilty of sexually abusing a 16-year-old altar boy during his time as a priest in New
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Old 11th Oct 2020, 10:14
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5 star lawyers like this donít come cheap....
I don't know why, because unless I'm missing something, they've lost all the cases mentioned in the article.
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Old 11th Oct 2020, 10:51
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The question as to who is paying the legal fees is a good one. I can't see law firms like this taking this on pro bono, given that they aren't clients that are likely to be viewed sympathetically by most people. I understand that they have the right to legal representation, but thought that fell within the remit of the public defender system in the US, and it seems unlikely that these lawyers fall into that category.

If the money to pay the defence legal fees is coming from any organisation that is connected with ISIS or islamic extremism, is that even legal? I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be legal here, but perhaps things are different in the US.
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Old 11th Oct 2020, 12:34
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Whilst you say things are different in the US, I'm not sure I understand how they work in the UK. I believed that legal aid was equivalent to the Public Defender principle, but then defendants seem able to choose very high-profile ( and cost ) lawyers at will. Now that is based on perusing the papers with no further research, but can you tell me how the UK system works ?
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Old 11th Oct 2020, 12:52
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Whilst you say things are different in the US, I'm not sure I understand how they work in the UK. I believed that legal aid was equivalent to the Public Defender principle, but then defendants seem able to choose very high-profile ( and cost ) lawyers at will. Now that is based on perusing the papers with no further research, but can you tell me how the UK system works ?

The UK system seems to work on the funding that's made available through Criminal Legal Aid being quite limited, so I don't believe that defendants are able to hire expensive lawyers, only those that will work within the constraints set by the Criminal Legal Aid system. Thankfully, there are some lawyers who feel strongly enough about the need to provide the very best defence possible that they will take on defendants under Criminal Legal Aid, even though they perhaps may not be able to earn as much by doing so. The eligibility rules are quite tight, I believe, and the only absolute right to free legal representation is during initial questioning by the police. After this there is no automatic provision of Criminal Legal Aid for any defendant, it becomes a matter of whether or not they fit the eligibility criteria, which include means testing.
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Old 11th Oct 2020, 13:10
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No doubt Leigh Day will be in the mix.
They love the publicity, and will take on all sorts of, er, interesting, cases.
They call themselves human rights lawyers/solicitors. They allegedly worked intensively with Phil Shiner (a "famous" "Lawyer of the Year" in the UK) who was struck off for allegedly inventing cases against Brit squaddies in Iraq.**

Leigh Day were charged aswell, but The UK's Disciplinary process for dodgy solicitors found that none of the allegations of professional misconduct were found to be proven to the required criminal standard of proof.

Note the bit about Criminal standard of proof. A Civil case might/might not have had a different outcome.

* * Among the charges were that Professor Shiner, who chose not to appear before the hearing, paid a middle man to find and "cold-call" the families of potential Iraqi victims.

The tribunal also heard how he had a "lucrative" referral deal with another law firm which meant he would get a cut when they pursued compensation claims from his clients.

This resulted in a payment of £1.6m to Professor Shiner and his middle man.

All quotes from Sky news.
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Old 11th Oct 2020, 17:12
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We can only hope that the Bankruptcy Commission (? ) find a lot more of his money.
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Old 11th Oct 2020, 17:22
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Shouldn't need a trial. What erks me with these knackers and their ilk is that they don't have the balls to stand by their beliefs once caught and will hide in the very system they say they abhor.
Cowards, one and all.
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Old 11th Oct 2020, 18:40
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Surely the question of funding is answered in the second paragraph of Orac's C&P?
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