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Old 20th Jul 2018, 22:27
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Yes a lovely tribute.
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Old 20th Jul 2018, 22:37
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I hope that in the future these young lads adapt to life rather better than those poor Chilean miners appear to have done.
The last story about those miners that I could find wasn't happy reading.
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Old 21st Jul 2018, 00:47
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I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, and I apologise if it has. Adelaide doctor Richard Harris who played a key role in the rescue was greeted with the sad news that his father back in Adelaide had died about the time that the last rescue was completed. For Richard ("Harry") the aftermath is both sweet and bitter. There is a nice statement from him here:

https://www.news.com.au/national/doc...aa36df13ac72df

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Old 5th Sep 2018, 07:45
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https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...thout-evidence

Elon Musk calls Thailand diver 'child rapist' in latest baseless attack

Elon Musk has escalated his baseless attacks against a British diver, claiming without evidence that the man who helped rescue children from a cave in Thailand was a “child rapist” in an email to a reporter.

The embattled Tesla CEO faced widespread backlash in July when he first called the diver Vernon Unsworth a “pedo” in a tweet – an unfounded claim against a man who was part of the international team that freed 12 young footballers and their coach from the Tham Luang cave complex. Musk, who had unsuccessfully attempted to assist the rescue mission, eventually apologized to Unsworth.

On Tuesday, however, BuzzFeed published two new emails from Musk, in which he called a journalist who has written about the dispute a “******* asshole” and he launched new extraordinary claims against Unsworth, without providing documentation to support the allegations. Musk called Unsworth a “single white guy from England who’s been traveling to or living in Thailand for 30 to 40 years”, alleging that he had moved to Chiang Rai “for a child bride who was about 12 years old at the time”. He asserted that the city was “renowned for child sex-trafficking”.


BuzzFeed reported that it had investigated the allegations and Unsworth’s background, but could not verify any of the claims and said that it was unclear where the allegations originated. Unsworth, who said he was considering legal action after the original insults on Twitter, is now moving forward with a lawsuit, his lawyer said in an email to the Guardian on Tuesday: “Elon Musk’s campaign of publishing vile and false accusations against Mr Unsworth is inexcusable. Musk hopes to be sued and he deserves to be sued. He will be.”

Musk’s email to BuzzFeed, which was a response to Unsworth’s latest legal threats, said: “I suggest that you call people you know in Thailand, find out what’s actually going on and stop defending child rapists, you ******* asshole … As for this alleged threat of a lawsuit, which magically appeared when I raised the issue (nothing was sent or raised beforehand), I ******* hope he sues me.”.......

Musk confirmed to the Guardian on Tuesday that he had sent the email but did not immediately comment further. Tesla spokespeople did not respond to a request for comment.

BuzzFeed said it could not locate any UK criminal records for Unsworth, 63, and also spoke with his girlfriend, who said she was 40 and had been with him for seven years.........
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Old 6th Sep 2018, 07:44
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...rant-5jndzmjhs

British cave diver Vernon Unsworth to sue Elon Musk after new rant

The British caver who masterminded the rescue of 12 boys trapped in Thailand is to take legal action over Elon Musk’s latest slur that he is a “child rapist”. Vernon Unsworth told The Times the billionaire’s allegations he had a child bride and had moved to an area notorious for child sex trafficking were “100 per cent” untrue and “very hurtful”.

The financial broker from St Albans, Hertfordshire, is preparing to start legal action imminently against the tycoon. He is considering using the courts in Thailand, which could lead to Mr Musk receiving a jail sentence. Libel can be a criminal offence in the country and can result in a lengthy prison term. Mr Unsworth is also considering defamation proceedings in London and the United States where Mr Musk is a prominent business personality.

Mr Musk, boss of the Tesla electric car company, had apologised in July for making similar allegations against Mr Unsworth. It came after the caver rejected his offer of a mini submarine to help rescue members of a boys’ football team and their coach trapped in a flooded cave complex in Chiang Rai. Mr Musk, 47, ratcheted up the allegations in emails to the Buzzfeed website when asked for his response to news that Mr Unsworth was considering legal action. In one email, Mr Musk wrote: “I suggest that you call people you know in Thailand, find out what’s actually going on and stop defending child rapists, you f***ing asshole.

“He’s an old, single white guy from England who’s been travelling to or living in Thailand for 30 to 40 years, mostly Pattaya Beach, until moving to Chiang Rai for a child bride who was about 12 years old at the time.” He added: “Chaing Rai is renowned for child sex trafficking.”Mr Musk added: “I f***ing hope he sues me.”......

[Mr Unsworth] told The Times that after Mr Musk’s first outburst he feared that the businessman, who made his fortune with PayPal, would be prepared to hire private investigators to dig around into his personal life. “I’ve been told today to be very careful because this guy may do anything to make my life difficult,” he said.

He said that he has never visited Pattaya or any other areas of Thailand with similar reputations for depravity. “What he [Mr Musk] is saying is any farang [foreigner living in Thailand] is a paedo guy,” Mr Unsworth said. “I’ve never been to places like Phuket, I’ve never been to Pattaya, I’ve never been to any of the islands.”

Mr Unsworth’s girlfriend, Woranan Ratrawiphukkun, 40, yesterday condemned the claims that he had a child bride as “laughable”. Ms Ratrawiphukkun, a local politician and successful businesswoman, met Mr Unsworth when she travelled to London to make investments. She told the Thai website Coconuts: “We’ve spent our lives together for seven years. He’s a good man and such a gentleman.”

Mark Stephens, Mr Unsworth’s London lawyer at the firm Howard Kennedy, said that Mr Musk’s allegations were “completely untrue”. “Just as we get a series of legal proceedings drafted, Mr Musk adds another libel to it,” Mr Stephens said. “The idea that he is attracted to young vulnerable women or girls is a complete figment of Musk’s imagination. When you start looking at the facts it is patently untrue. This has been going since July . . . and he has not produced a scintilla of evidence. He may have money but he does not seem to have much class.”

“Allegations of paedophilia are so serious and a curse of our modern era that actually flinging about recklessly those kinds of false allegations is something that no responsible person should be doing.”........









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Old 7th Sep 2018, 22:08
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Just saw a news item on TV about Elon Musk - showed him smoking pot (marijuana) and drinking booze during a TV interview.
Might explain some of his recent tweets (sorry your honor, I was stoned out of my gourd and wasn't responsible what I sending out in those tweets).
I wonder what the Tesla stockholders feel about such behavior from their fearless leader? Maybe they think it's positive?
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Old 28th Dec 2018, 07:08
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...ight-p25dw6vw0

Twitter attacks don’t count, says Musk in ‘paedo’ libel fight

Elon Musk is fighting a libel claim from a British rescue diver he accused of paedophilia, arguing that his statement was obviously flippant because it was made on Twitter. The technology billionaire, 47, filed a motion to dismiss the lawsuit in California this week in which his lawyers said that the comments were “just imaginative attacks”, plainly exaggerated and delivered on Twitter, which is “infamous for invective and hyperbole”.

Vernon Unsworth sued Mr Musk for libel and slander in September and is seeking at least $75,000 in damages.

The row began in July when Mr Unsworth dismissed as a “PR stunt” Mr Musk’s offer to help in the rescue of 12 boys and their football coach who were stranded in a cave in Thailand. Mr Musk seconded engineers from his companies to build a miniature submarine and travelled with it to Thailand, where Narongsak Osottanakorn, head of the search operation, said it was “not practical for our mission”. Mr Unsworth, who is from St Albans but lives in Thailand, was on the scene during the rescue. His knowledge of the caves was crucial and he was unimpressed by Mr Musk. “He can stick his submarine where it hurts,” he told CNN. “It just had absolutely no chance of working.”

In a tweet he has since deleted, Mr Musk responded by calling Mr Unsworth a “pedo guy”. His lawyers argue that “the public knew that Musk’s insults were not intended to be statements of fact”. They said he had been “shocked by Unsworth’s indefensible attacks” and “took to Twitter — a social networking website infamous for invective and hyperbole — to respond”.

Mr Musk later sent an email to the news organisation Buzzfeed in which he wrote of Mr Unsworth: “He’s an old, single white guy from England who’s been travelling to or living in Thailand for 30 to 40 years, mostly Pattaya Beach, until moving to Chiang Rai for a child bride who was about 12 years old at the time.” He added: “I f***ing hope he sues me.”

Mr Musk has said he designated the email “off the record” but Buzzfeed says that it never agreed to that condition. Mr Unsworth was 63 at the time. His partner is in her 40s.

Lin Wood, a lawyer for Mr Unsworth, rejected Mr Musk’s “frivolous contention that all statements published on Twitter or other social media are protected speech”, saying: “I am confident the trial court will likewise reject this fanciful position.”
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Old 28th Dec 2018, 07:50
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Someone with better knowledge of the applicable (US) law than me may want to chime in, but my understanding is that to prove libel or slander in the US is pretty challenging, because of 1st Amendment rights. Proving that Mr Unsworth has suffered direct consequences from Musk's published comments that are equal in value to the sum claimed by way of damages may well be tough.

Musk seems to be a bloody idiot though, as the cheap and easy way out would have been to retract the remarks, apologise and maybe make some out of court settlement. The damage to his reputation from this affair may well be costing him, and his businesses, far more money than just settling what seems to be a pretty low value claim (less than the retail price of one of his cars, I believe).
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Old 28th Dec 2018, 20:14
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The First Amendment says that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." It protects your right to say or write something, it does NOT protect you in any way if the legal standards for libel or slander are proven. To prove it, you must show the statement is:
  • Published - It has appeared in or on some type of public forum.
  • False - Clearly and demonstrably untrue.
  • Injurious - There is a detrimental affect on your earnings, standing or reputation.
  • Unprivileged - Not part of a privileged release such as a Court of Law or Congressional hearings.
A court will decide whether Tweets are a legally recognized published document, but whether it is proven to be slander or libel, the actions of Musk speak louder than any words.
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Old 29th Dec 2018, 04:06
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On a more positive note, several cave divers have been honoured for the Thai rescue: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-46701833
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Old 29th Dec 2018, 06:28
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On a more positive note, several cave divers have been honoured for the Thai rescue: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-46701833
Nice to see that the honours system reacted swiftly to recognise the sheer guts of those who made all those hazardous rescue trips, and all those who put a great deal of effort into helping with the back room organisational stuff.

I wonder what Musk will have to say about Mr Unsworth being awarded an MBE for his part in the coordination of the rescue work?
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Old 29th Dec 2018, 06:40
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Yes, let us celebrate the fantastic UK honors system, especially since they have grouped these amazing divers in the same league as the likes of Twiggy and Gareth Southgate.

Maybe I should put on a wig and a waist coat and do some modelling on the side line whilst managing a rubbish soccer team and I will earn myself a knighthood too!
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Old 29th Dec 2018, 12:10
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Awards for the divers, two George Medals rightly deserved amongst those awarded, Vernon mentioned above receives the MBE, SEE

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46701985
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Old 29th Dec 2018, 22:43
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
Someone with better knowledge of the applicable (US) law than me may want to chime in, but my understanding is that to prove libel or slander in the US is pretty challenging, because of 1st Amendment rights. Proving that Mr Unsworth has suffered direct consequences from Musk's published comments that are equal in value to the sum claimed by way of damages may well be tough.

Musk seems to be a bloody idiot though, as the cheap and easy way out would have been to retract the remarks, apologise and maybe make some out of court settlement. The damage to his reputation from this affair may well be costing him, and his businesses, far more money than just settling what seems to be a pretty low value claim (less than the retail price of one of his cars, I believe).
I had the misfortune of being included in a lawsuit for libel several years ago (I wasn't involved in the original libel but got included because of some on-line posts where I was simply trying to explain what was going on) - trust me it's not hard to show damage to reputation, nor is it necessary to show actual malice. Although my non-lawyer friends didn't think I'd written anything wrong or libelous, the lawyers disagreed. A real mess - eventually settled out of court for $500,000! (fortunately all paid for by insurance - I personally was only out a lot of lost sleep).

Completely agree about Musk being an idiot through - and not just for making the original tweet. $75k is pocket change to him, he'll probably spend more than that on lawyers, and the longer this plays out the worse he looks because of it. He'd have been far better with a proper apology and a quiet cash settlement.
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Old 30th Dec 2018, 00:24
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The worst of it is that Musk & his lawyers will probably try to dredge up any piece of dirt, including rumour, hearsay or someone who will say anything in hope of a financial sweetener. They will, no doubt make the man's life miserable.
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Old 30th Dec 2018, 02:33
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Maybe Elon can prove everyone wrong by using his miniature submarine to rescue the 15 miners trapped in an Indian mine for the past two weeks. Pity there isn't a youth's soccer team trapped in there with them. They'd be out by now.
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Old 30th Dec 2018, 03:02
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Strangely, I don't see Mr Musk's name in the Honours List.

There are many things that are wrong or outdated with our way of doing things in this country (the UK) but this isn't one of them. Public recognition like this of the amazing work these brave people did, rather than a fat 'thank you cheque', may be a very British thing but speaks volumes.

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Old 25th Jan 2019, 10:50
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Perth man Craig Challen and his dive partner, Adelaide doctor Richard Harris, were named joint winners of the prestigious "Australian of the Year" award for their efforts in saving the lives of 12 young boys and their football coach, who spent more than two weeks trapped underground in a Thai cave last year.
Both Mr Challen and Dr Harris, who have long sought to avoid the spotlight that came with their heroic feats in the rescue efforts, accepted the award from Prime Minister Scott Morrison at a ceremony in Canberra tonight

Further : From the West Australian :
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Old 25th Jan 2019, 11:17
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"Australian of the Year"
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Old 25th Jan 2019, 20:51
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Well deserved.
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