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On the eve of war

Old 13th Jun 2019, 10:19
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Originally Posted by k3k3 View Post
One of them has sunk.
If the Iranian government has anything to do with these incidents they really want their collectives heads looking at. The US regime is hell bent on attacking Iran with the objective of regime change in Iran (not that that is likely to improve the long term situation any) and attacking commercial shipping will give the US the excuse they're waiting for.

It beggars belief that the US, with it's current military presence in the Gulf, aren't monitoring the attackers, and in all probability, could apprehend them before the attacks take place, but perhaps that doesn't fit with their political objectives.

From the Iranian mindset one could surmise that they already have the where-with-all to attack and do serious damage to Israel, but can't move on that until they have been attacked by the USA. Could all get very messy, and really screw up the Western economy as so much oil moves through that area.
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 12:15
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If the Iranian government has anything to do with these incidents they really want their collectives heads looking at. The US regime is hell bent on attacking Iran with the objective of regime change in Iran (not that that is likely to improve the long term situation any) and attacking commercial shipping will give the US the excuse they're waiting for.
Ironic in the week that USS Liberty was remembered. Some want it forgotten forever.
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 12:37
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Originally Posted by k3k3 View Post
One of them has sunk.
"The ship's owner, Frontline, said the Marshall Islands-flagged vessel was on fire but denied reports on Iran media it had sunk. "

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-48619771
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 13:33
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My money is on either:

- the US of A did it
- the Israelis did it
or
- the Saudis paid someone to do it
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 13:33
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Somebody with the capability wants to make a point and entice a greater battle.

It sure ain't a government

We can be sure that governments will ramp up the rhetoric on either side, but will they make a move to retailiate against each other??
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 13:59
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Aerial footage here: https://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...f-of-Oman.html
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 14:07
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Is it Blofeld?

Lomapaseo.

Iím not trying to suggest that maybe youíve watched a few too many movies but, if itís not a government, who exactly do you think it is?

Are there evil corporations with sea mines stashed away to destabilise world markets?

I know they say that art sometimes imitates reality but (and I accept I may be wrong) I have yet to see any evidence of such megalomaniacal organisations interfering in world politics.

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Old 13th Jun 2019, 14:13
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Originally Posted by ThorMos View Post
My money is on either:

- the US of A did it
- the Israelis did it

or
- the Saudis paid someone to do it
Is there a difference?
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 14:31
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No matter who did it, the US of A will know who did it.
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 15:49
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
If the Iranian government has anything to do with these incidents they really want their collectives heads looking at. The US regime is hell bent on attacking Iran with the objective of regime change in Iran (not that that is likely to improve the long term situation any) and attacking commercial shipping will give the US the excuse they're waiting for.

It beggars belief that the US, with it's current military presence in the Gulf, aren't monitoring the attackers, and in all probability, could apprehend them before the attacks take place, but perhaps that doesn't fit with their political objectives.
That's a sensible appraisal.
There is zero evidence, at this stage, that the Iranians are responsible. And while I've little doubt they are capable of such an act I can't see what's in it for them; they have little to gain and plenty to lose.

Originally Posted by ThorMos View Post
My money is on either:

- the US of A did it
- the Israelis did it
or
- the Saudis paid someone to do it
Why not the Russians? Petro-economy, benefit from higher oil prices, not dependent on the Straits of Hormuz to export......
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 16:00
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Originally Posted by Andy_S View Post
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Why not the Russians? Petro-economy, benefit from higher oil prices, not dependent on the Straits of Hormuz to export......
Well, i mentioned the russians in my first bullet point, didn't i? Who has his arm way up DT's arse?
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 16:27
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One of them has sunk.
I am sure you meant to say 'None of them has sunk'. As of 17:20 BST both were still afloat.
As for the Iranians being culpable; what exactly would the Iranians gain from such actions? It would risk the US and the Saudis to ramp up the anti-Iran rhetoric. Anyway, haven't the Iranians shown in the past that fast boats are their usual tool?
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 16:55
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Iím currently sitting in my apartment in Oman, looking out over the sea and wondering whatís going to happen over the next few days.
Despite all the sabre rattling and rhetoric, the general opinion of the heads on the street is that Iran has had no part in this, as theyíd be off their rockers if they did.
Some here think itís a false flag operation that puts Iran into a position where they have to tow the line of whatever the US et al wants them to. The rationale being, Ďthe world believes you did it so we have carte blanche to go in and switch you off, but do this, this and this, and we wonít.í
Anyway, thatís the word on the street. I know nothing.

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Old 13th Jun 2019, 17:14
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post
Are there evil corporations with sea mines stashed away to destabilise world markets?
I know they say that art sometimes imitates reality but (and I accept I may be wrong) I have yet to see any evidence of such megalomaniacal organisations interfering in world politics.
A number of very large commodity companies know more about what is happening with crops in countrys than the countrys Government.

BP - Iran 1953, Dole et al in Central America for Bananas.

Country A and B produce 200,000 tonnes of Apricots, Megacorp buys A's crop in advance, B looks like having bumper crop where average price is 50% less than A was guaranteed. Mega will lose $200 million as world buyers will not pay their price B suffers a sudden fruit fly epidemic that destroys 50% of crop so prices are 50% higher than guaranteed and Mega makes $200 million.

Anybody wonder why Russia has been complaining about the Richard B Lugar centre in Tblisi
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/0...se-by-the-day/
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 20:04
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It is reminiscent of The Gulf of Tonkin incident.

If the Iranian military forces had any part in it, both vessels would have been at the bottom of the Gulf. Unless of course they have become so impoverished by all these sanctions that they had to resort to lobbing a few molotov cocktails from their dhows and junks. Cannot blame the poor sods for losing their wrag, no one seems to want their oil, so they might as well put it to some other use.
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 20:08
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Originally Posted by ThorMos View Post
My money is on either:

- the US of A did it
- the Israelis did it
or
- the Saudis paid someone to do it
I doubt the USA did it; but either of their two proxies that you mentioned may well have a part in it.

The USA will claim it was Iran, and go marching in all guns blazing; sadly with it's European lapdog (the UK) right behind.
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 21:16
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My money is on these being covert attacks by Saudi Arabia, trying to stoke up anti-Iran feeling, perhaps even trying to provoke the US to take direct action against Iran. I can't see a rational reason for Iran undertaking these attacks, as all they are doing is creating more anti-Iran feeling.
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 21:50
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
My money is on these being covert attacks by Saudi Arabia, trying to stoke up anti-Iran feeling, perhaps even trying to provoke the US to take direct action against Iran. I can't see a rational reason for Iran undertaking these attacks, as all they are doing is creating more anti-Iran feeling.
Bolton egging them on as he wants a war.
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Old 14th Jun 2019, 02:16
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Iran blamed for tanker attacks

The US has blamed Iran for an early-morning assault on two tankers in the Gulf of Oman, which ended a Japanese mediation effort and raised fears over the safety of vessels passing through the key oil artery to the west, the Strait of Hormuz.
The US secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, said the US believed blasts on the two tankers were carried out by Iran “based on intelligence, the weapons used, the level of expertise needed to execute the operation”. He also claimed that the attacks had such a high degree of sophistication they could not be carried out by a proxy.
There was a time when a claim such as this from the U.S. would have elicited instant acceptance in the West and condemnation of Iran at all levels.
Who now would just accept the claim, even half-heartedly.
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Old 14th Jun 2019, 06:08
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