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Old 6th Mar 2018, 10:07
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Question Cycling In The UK?

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With being on the roads during the winter months, the amount of cyclists you see with no lights on during the dark are they on a death wish? I can remember one time when you would get stopped by the police because of no lights. They would soon start quibbling if they got hit!!

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You call them Cyclists. I call them Organ Donors.
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Old 6th Mar 2018, 11:18
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Originally Posted by GLIDER 90 View Post
I can remember one time when you would get stopped by the police because of no lights.
In Cambridge the police do this for a few days each October, in the hope of educating some of the new students.
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Old 6th Mar 2018, 11:50
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Biggest problem we have around us is the cycling groups who come around 30+ all in there matching team shirts who do not go in single file, and hold up traffic with there large gaggle. They get well shirty if some one overtakes at speed as well. Indeed 12 months ago I witnessed a group harassing a driver in the centre of Ripponden which looked as though it was going to end in a brawl !
Not a good advert for their sport. Also with regards lights these same groups come out in early spring with there flashing strobe front lights, which is like an explosion of Paparazzi on a dark night. I wonder if anyone has suffered an epileptic fit from such yet,as it surly can only be time until they do.

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Old 6th Mar 2018, 13:04
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Old 6th Mar 2018, 13:08
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Originally Posted by GLIDER 90 View Post
Morning All

With being on the roads during the winter months, the amount of cyclists you see with no lights on during the dark are they on a death wish? I can remember one time when you would get stopped by the police because of no lights. They would soon start quibbling if they got hit!!

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That would be a valid observation if lights actually prevented one from being hit. However, neither lights nor any amount of high-viz etc, do.

But hey, blame the victim right?!?
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That would be a valid observation if lights actually prevented one from being hit. However, neither lights nor any amount of high-viz etc, do.

Please explain.
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Old 6th Mar 2018, 13:45
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Please explain.
Drivers should be psychic and guess that there's a cyclist up ahead on the wrong side of the road at night with no lights.

Cycling in the UK is just another branch of left-wing anti-car politics.
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Old 6th Mar 2018, 14:25
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From RoSPA

Cycling accidents
Around 75% of fatal or serious cyclist accidents occur in urban areas
 Around half of cyclist fatalities occur on rural roads
 75% happen at, or near, a road junction
80% occur in daylight
 80% of cyclist casualties are male
 10% of cyclists killed or injured are children
 Around three quarters of cyclists killed have major head injuries.
My italics. No shortage of light in urban areas or in daylight.

BTW, me anti-car and left wing? I don't think so! And cyclist without lights at night are
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Old 6th Mar 2018, 14:36
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From what Iíve seen around some of the bling brigade donít want to spoil the lines of their umpteen thousand quid bike and of course donít want to carry the weight up the ďoutside categoryĒ climbs on the South Downs..

In all honesty you can get a set of lightweight cycling lights for not a lot, and certainly if I am out on the road in the P.M. in the winter Iíll carry a set in my back pocket that I can use if I have a mechanical on the road and end up still pedalling away after dark.

There really is no excuse for anyone not using bike lights at night, but Iíll add I do set the rear light to flash if I am in a built up area and Iím not about to apologise for doing so.
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who do not go in single file
The highway code demands a maximum of two abreast, that means that if a group is cycling two abreast they have to single out if they are passing another cyclist.

Cycling in single file is a courtesy not a requirement. However, as a cyclist myself, I hate to see the groups remaining two abreast when traffic is around, apart from bad manners it represents a road hazard.
This sort of group do not seem to cycle as a recreation but as 'training' and have seen too much 'Tour de France' on TV trying to copy them. They wear 'team' shirts and put their own pursuit in preference to road safety, many are bearded over 50s and would do better just to enjoy the outdoors and the sheer joy of cycling.
This sort of 'speed' cycling requires police escort.
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Old 6th Mar 2018, 15:07
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I've got a set of very lightweight and bright LED lights, about the size of my little finger. They are on or off my bike in a jiffy and are recharged via USB. Didn't cost much...

Went out with a local cycling group of about 20 once, never again. Prefer to ride at my own pace, stop when I want to, not have to worry about getting through junctions, etc.
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Old 6th Mar 2018, 15:16
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Cyclists who are two abreast vs. single file are irrelevant: they both need adequate road space to overtake them, whether thereís one or two doesnít matter.
What DOES matter is groups of cyclists who insist in riding in long crocodiles thus giving overtaking traffic nowhere to go - and thus preventing overtaking at all.
On twisting country roads - ie, most of them - they effectively block all other road users, and create traffic queues than can stretch for miles. As drivers themselves, they must be aware of this: if they are, and donít care, then they deserve no mercy.....
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Passing 30 cyclists in single file is considerably more difficult than if they are cycling two abreast since they take up twice as much linear distance on the road.

And on a typical single-carriagway road, there is plenty of room to pass side-by-side cyclists provided there is nothing coming in the opposite direction (and if there is something coming, it probably wasn't safe to overtake even a solo cyclist).

In other words, the "two-abreast" moaners are complaining because they've been denied the opportunity to overtake dangerously.
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Old 6th Mar 2018, 16:06
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Totally agree with you re training comments.

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I wish it was only two abreast on the moor land roads round me. These were used in Tour of Yorkshire / France and we have these groups every weekend and evening during the summer - 3-4 is quite standard. I find it quite interesting when the sports car fraternity also come out top play !
Just to make it interesting the off road mountain bikers also like shooting around on tracks and paths, some even at night with a head torch scaring the hell out of you when doing any late night chores like bins, dog walking etc. However we have slowed them down by changing the road surface on the un-adopted road we live on, and in doing so had to introduce a drainage edit which has caused a marked deceleration in some down hill antics, after some crashes and damaged pride !

I am not a kill joy but there does seem to have to be a bit more give and take, which seems to be absent from the new Brad Wiggins inspired cyclists IMHO.

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Old 6th Mar 2018, 16:10
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This should induce the usual feeding frenzy when it comes to cyclists....surprised it wasn't the basis for the thread actually.

Death by dangerous cycling: Review recommends new law to punish cyclists in same way as drivers | The Independent
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Cycling at some speed along a narrow country lane I met a huge bunch of wiggalikes coming the other way. No concept of other direction traffic having any sort of right of way. Had a go at a few, paticularly the Dick who had dismounted on a bend, then pushed his bike across the lane right in front of me without looking. Some sort of charity ride but no police or marshals.
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Old 6th Mar 2018, 16:25
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
This should induce the usual feeding frenzy when it comes to cyclists....surprised it wasn't the basis for the thread actually.

Death by dangerous cycling: Review recommends new law to punish cyclists in same way as drivers | The Independent
Seems fair enough to me, but there really are a lot of pedestrians who step into the road without looking. Not sure if I still have the video of a girl who stepped out in front of me last year, never looked up from the phone in her hand. It wasn't a crossing.
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Originally Posted by funfly View Post
This sort of group do not seem to cycle as a recreation but as 'training' and have seen too much 'Tour de France' on TV trying to copy them. They wear 'team' shirts and put their own pursuit in preference to road safety, many are bearded over 50s and would do better just to enjoy the outdoors and the sheer joy of cycling.
Spot on.

I noticed this story a few weeks ago and was waiting for a good opportunity to comment on it:

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...fter-accidents

It begs the question of whether cyclists should be banned from some roads and / or at particular times of day.

To be honest, if someone is insane enough to cycle on a high speed dual carriageway then good luck to them. My rant concerns cyclists on regular A-Roads.

My own route to and from work takes me along some relatively narrow, often bendy but always (at that time of day) busy single carriageway A-Roads. Several times a week, Iím either caught up in, or observe (coming the other way) long queues of vehicles crawling behind a lone cyclist. These cyclists are exactly the way you describe, and seem to have zero interest in co-operating with vehicle users. They frequently cycle well out from the verge and never, ever pull over and give faster moving vehicles to pass. Since the nature of these roads is such that opportunities for overtaking are intermittent, the queues just build and build. And somehow I get the impression that this breed of cyclist actually gets a fair bit of self-righteous pleasure out of the inconvenience they cause.

So, my question is Ė should we ban cycling at peak hours on busy roads?
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Old 6th Mar 2018, 16:46
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Seems fair enough to me, but there really are a lot of pedestrians who step into the road without looking. Not sure if I still have the video of a girl who stepped out in front of me last year, never looked up from the phone in her hand. It wasn't a crossing.
I know, the obsession with being engrossed in whatever device of choice, even before basic road safety being now an established part of contemporary life ( what could possibly go wrong ! )

But I'm sure m'learned friends will doubless see this as another lucrative income stream, not forgetting the opportunity to be credited with setting the precedent in law with the first, if it comes to fruition, successful prosecution.

I encounter cyclists every time, collectively and individually, I travel to my hobby...the road is very popular to put it mildly, but, I've never subscribed to the view ( JB ) that all cyclists are inherently dangerous and should be banned ( or shot on sight ) from the roads.
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