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Old 27th Feb 2018, 13:54
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A school friend became an estate agent and advised to "spend time in the area" if we were serious about buying a property.
These were wise words and we narrowly avoided buying a place that was close to a hidden railway cutting that carried heavy freight traffic. Estate agents would time their visits for when the trains weren't running.A school friend became an estate agent and advised to "spend time in the area" if we were serious about buying a property.
These were wise words and we narrowly avoided buying a place that was close to a hidden railway cutting that carried heavy freight traffic. Estate agents would time their visits for when the trains weren't running.
In the year 2000 my wife and I went to view two houses in a village, same estate agent for both.

The first was described as "in a quiet location". As we turned into the driveway, we couldn't help but "notice" the inter city express train roaring at 120 mph along the embankment at the bottom of the garden. I reversed out....

We drove a few hundred yards to the second house. We couldn't help but notice the rows of sandbags outside the adjacent front doors along the main street and the muddy brown tidemark two feet up the walls of the houses, where the river had been only a few months previously.

We still don't live in that village.
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Old 27th Feb 2018, 14:18
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In 1971, I bought a house in a village near Thurleigh, and was delighted to meet Concorde 'flying down the High Street' during crew familiarisation flights before entering commercial service.
I wonder if you were a neighbour of someone I employed in Bedford a few years earlier to work permanent nights. Before starting the job he very quickly bought a house in the country where he thought it would be possible to sleep during the day. Too late, he discovered that his house was on the centre line of one of the Thurleigh runways. This was during the trials of the blind landing system which involved endless circuits by a suitably equipped Varsity, trundling round over his head every 10 minutes or so. There was no respite even during low visibility as it appeared that they were more likely to be out there testing it for real.
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Old 27th Feb 2018, 14:40
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Roughly 16 years ago I moved into a home right next to a suburban commuter railway line. Having lived in the general area for much of my life I was aware there were some freight trains on the line; it turned out to be 4 each day, at about noon, late afternoon, midnight and 4am. So I posted to a usenet group (remember them?) dedicated to local rail, asking about the freight trains and got a bollocking from one of the grumpier regulars for complaining about a trainline which preceded my arrival by over a century. In fact I was just curious what the trains were (steel products) and where they were going (Hastings, for the Melbourne, Aus, folks), which someone else politely explained to me.

Soon afterwards, a friend of mine (who, coincidentally works for the steel company!) lost her flatmate who moved to the far side of town to be closer to her nursing course. Flatmate rented a nice ground floor flat a short walk from the hospital, completely failing to notice the enormous railway bridge over the main road nearby. We were actually moving her furniture in the first time a train went past in the cutting 20 feet from her bedroom window; obviously she got no sympathy from me!

About six years ago, my friend (the one who works for the steel company) decided to move closer to her new job site; we spent about a year searching for the perfect 3 car garage with an acceptable home attached (she's an engineer, we're like that). Bizarrely the local estate agents never twigged that we were buying a garage, not a house, nor for that matter that I was merely the decoy partner. Anyway, moving day came, and once again we're lugging furniture. It's a nice sunny autumn day, easter, not much wind, and seemingly every pilot in Melbourne is practising their touch and go landings at Moorabbin, which entails a circuit pretty much exactly over my friend's new house... Despite a year of Saturdays spent gazing at houses in the area she'd never noticed the aircraft overhead. She was almost panicking, but like my trains, she barely notices them any more, and unlike my trains, they are very weather dependent anyway. In fact we got chatting to one of the neighbours yesterday, who wanted her to be upset about the planes and she just couldn't be bothered argueing...

Now somebody mentioned churches; I grew up about a hundred metres from a church and primary school. Parking was at a premium on Sundays, the occasional funeral and the daily school-o'clock pickup, but when we first moved in in the 1970s, they had no bell tower. About a decade ago they built one (neglecting to obtain planning permission first), installed a nice bell, and behind the bell, a loudspeaker. The council quite rightly stomped on their ambitions for hourly bells, but they were allowed one at 6pm. And so every evening at 6pm, we'd hear: "hisssssss_BONG_BONG_BONG_BONG_BONG_BONG_hisssssss", at least until the sheer tackiness of it drove the parishoners to insist the church desist...

And finally, just last year I left the steel train behind and moved close to Moorabbin airport, where many evenings about 11pm, I hear a pair of Oxford training aircraft return from Warrnambool, reminding me it is perhaps time for bed. This afternoon, a lovely mild late summer day, as we had lunch, the sky was positively alive. And frankly, I reckon they were all having more fun than the passengers on the trains going past my old place.

I live in a city. There are noises, some of them regular like the steel trains and the Oxford trainers and the hum of traffic every morning. And yes, I even lived next to a lost dogs's shelter and a freeway when I was a student. And the rent reflected the salubrious location...
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Old 27th Feb 2018, 15:49
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Years ago the land next to our house was farmland, including floodplain. The farmer couldn't grow much on it because it is dense clay and either too wet to get a tractor over, or rock hard to the plough. He sold it to a housing developer. The first half was built on, the rest lay fallow for a while, due to the housing slump. We moved away for a few years, due to a job move. We let the house out till we came back to the area. On our return, a lady soon appeared at our door, trying to get me to join her campaign against the second phase of the housing development. I told her the planning permission had already been passed, which it had. She didn't seem to believe me. I asked her why she was objecting and she replied that it would ruin the village. I then asked her where she actually lived...She lived on the first phase of the new development! I laughed out loud and told her she was objecting to the same development as the one she actually lived on. She hasn't spoken to me in the twenty years since.

As an aside, the owners of the new houses built on floodplain have very major issues with rising damp. No surprise there then.
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Old 27th Feb 2018, 19:29
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Old 27th Feb 2018, 19:40
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Holbeach Range, late eighties. 0905 and the first 4 A10s have just strafed the panels and off round for the next run. Telephone rings, posh voice asks how long this is going to go on for and has a fit when he's told all day, 9 - 5, Mon - Fri.

It seems hes just bought a dirty great bungalow for his retirement from the City, quite cheaply, just over the sea wall from the range. Obviously done no research and it transpires he only saw the property once, on a Bank Holiday week end.
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Old 27th Feb 2018, 20:33
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Old 27th Feb 2018, 22:05
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Friends had bought a house where all of a sudden after new funding one of the services started using a feature close to it for helicopter training. Not been used before.

On one occasion as he out in Garden cleaning up, crew decided it would be fun to hover lower and lower, he went in called up the base and put through to a V Senior Hofficer who told him no way would they hover lower than 1500 ft, he stepped out with phone and got immediate apology, crew still playing around until got a clear message from base to FO for tea and biscuits. He had photos as well but did have a nice visit from Hofficer Sqdn lesder who he said he shared tea and biscuits with as brought as way of apology.

Second occassion they using that and other point for night flying, called at 1 am which meant he was giving them lots of leeway. Got a poor response until he reminded person that his neighbour was local MP and very very supportive of military and he had visited him earlier than evening. Perhaps if when he called around to bring him to station in nearest town for train to London he could mention it. Amazingly got a call from someone quite senior apologising next morning.
He did mention to MP, who visited said base couple of months later as part of constituebcy duty, met the Officer who had rang to apologise and MP said he had been asked to ask for him as been very helpful and polite when neighbour had called and had written to MOD to highlight this.

Friends found out a week or two later when Hofficer rang to say thanks and got given direct number for duty officer to call anytime with any issues.

Sometimes once an idiot gets into a plane / helicopter there is no way seniors know what they get up to.

It works both ways.
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Old 28th Feb 2018, 00:59
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Once lived just down the Gt. West Road from Heathrow. The early morning, still dark, departure of the then BOAC York Freighter using 10L came straight overhead at about 50', apprently only achieving aviation due to the curvature of the Earth !

Magic !

I have a bumper sticker that states " I LOVE the noise of aircraft". I bought it in support of the Save Santa Monica airport group, but don't dare display it in Santa Monica lest I get a brick through my windscreen ( or worse, doubtless Trump will support the arming of airport protesters ? ) and it is a bit pointless here in N.Z., but I still display it !
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Old 28th Feb 2018, 14:09
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Originally Posted by Boxkite Montgolfier View Post
Necessity for early gear deployment are rare but I watch some clowns boring into LHR with needless regularity having deployed gear well over 20 miles from touchdown.
Gear down 20 miles from touchdown at Heathrow? As regular SLF into Heathrow on a variety of airlines, that's getting filed into the "Never happened" drawer.
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Old 28th Feb 2018, 15:07
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Originally Posted by TangoAlphad View Post
Always the way.

I've heard of several airports with massive noise complaint issues but on investigation they only comeback to the same (relatively) 'few' people lodging the same complaints so 3000+ complaints suddenly loses a lot if weight and is largely ignored.

I remember flying with a captain the other year and on final approach I asked for props to max. He replied 'Can you just wait another mile..' so I complied and in about a mile props went up. I queried it later expecting some technical or airmanship reason. He replied 'My wifes friend lives about there and she's rather annoying and complains to me about the noise of aircraft into the airport so I like to time bringing up the props coming up to her house for added effect'.
What a thoroughly professional pilot. Unless of course it didn't happen.
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Old 28th Feb 2018, 16:51
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Originally Posted by eal401 View Post
Gear down 20 miles from touchdown at Heathrow? As regular SLF into Heathrow on a variety of airlines, that's getting filed into the "Never happened" drawer.
Spent a couple of days at the National Archives last summer (I know life on the wild side, oh yes) and spent lunchtime in the gardens watching the arrivals pass overhead. Most if not all were just getting the gear down approaching Kew.
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Old 28th Feb 2018, 17:04
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On my one and only jet flight from Little Rissington in a JP5 I was told to avoid a particular house as we climbed to the North. As we were climbing through about 8000' at the time I was surprised that some NIMBY could make trouble for flights at that height and it must be difficult to avoid as, from that height, the cone of noise must be quite large.
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Old 28th Feb 2018, 17:10
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I've heard of one real estate agent telling customers that they would live three miles away from the nearby general aviation airport [BY ROAD] without mentioning that it was a half mile away as the crow flies.

Liar! Or at least very disingenuous...

No wonder the buyers were unpleasantly surprised.
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Old 28th Feb 2018, 17:24
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I have the good fortune of living near a small airport that is the base for at least three flying Stearmans. It's always a pleasure to enjoy the sound of a proper big round engine as they fly over - somtimes all three in formation!

Seriously, though, not doing one's due diligence before buying seems endemic. Here we have people that build or buy on the floodplain and then are surprised when their house becomes a submarine in the spring.
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Old 28th Feb 2018, 17:51
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Originally Posted by eal401 View Post
Gear down 20 miles from touchdown at Heathrow? As regular SLF into Heathrow on a variety of airlines, that's getting filed into the "Never happened" drawer.
Well it might happen occasionally, but if we make the not unreasonable assumption that nobody drops the gear until they are on the ILS, only a very small percentage of landers are established by 20 miles (on westerlies, that's roughly abeam LCY) and the number with the gear down at that point will be an even lower proportion of arrivals.

That's not my idea of "regularly".
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Old 28th Feb 2018, 18:27
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In 80's here used to be a guy off the western end of LGW. OK B732, BAC111, B727, etc were noise beasts. Various takeoff techniques were employed. The contentious one was to use max reduced thrust to 3000' and stagger out in a shallow climb spreading noise over the gentle Susses countryside. This was a mandatory technique at night, with max thrust/noise levels calculated. That sometimes meant a TFS was touch & go or even needed a fuel stop. But the legislators decided on this; politics. This was all before NAPD 1 & 2.
The pilots amongst us wondered why we didn't thunder off at max grunt, max angle spreading that noise over the smallest area closest to the airport, called a car park, and then reduce to climb at 3000'. A sort NAPD 2, but always max thrust.
Nope, not approved.
So this guy at LGW would sit in his garden with binoculars, an ATC radio, a glass of Pimms and the phone. He was on first name terms with all the controllers. If the test match was on the phone was quieter.
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Old 28th Feb 2018, 21:29
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Just to put the thrust reverse on so to speak, Any truth in the rumour that back in the day (1980s), Doug Arnold bought the ex Dan air Comet G-BDIT had it flown into Blackbushe supposedly for use as a restaurant.


Allegedly just got it to so he could fire up the engines to pizz off the local moaning neighbours!
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Old 28th Feb 2018, 22:24
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Oh you've tapped a rich vein!

I used to take the out-of-hours telephone calls at Manchester Airport in the 1990s and early norties. So many rib ticklers but one comes to mind.

Lady called about wanting me to stop a/c flying low over her house. It was in the centre of Knutsford, Cheshire some 5 or 6 miles finals for R06 (pre Runway 2). She sounded very distressed, so I tried to find the root cause of her problem.

She accused the airport of being in cahoots with the estate agent who sold her the house as she had only viewed it twice. Her claim was that we had diverted traffic during the period of her visits lulling her to believe noise wasn't an issue.

I didn't really know how to answer her but tried to explain that a/c takeoff and land into wind so what ever prevailed affected one end of the runway or t'other.

She asked "who is responsible for this?" and when I said "God' she hung up
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Old 28th Feb 2018, 22:59
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No train, plane or low level nuclear device can compete with an Indonesian mesjid (mosque) during Ramadhan.
And you can forget about complaining.

Choosing a suitable place of abode in Indonesia largely revolves around scanning for the chrome plated domes and associated speakers.
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