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Old 26th May 2019, 15:15
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Aren't they supposed to pay compensation for a missed appointment?
At my charge-out rate?

Anyway, my experience of trying to get money out of a company recently is that it took a year to get a court date, then another half day off work to attend the hearing. (But the judge did award my full loss of earnings for the hearing as "witness expenses".)
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Old 26th May 2019, 17:00
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When I was offered a smart meter I asked

Is it fitted with a battery - yes
will it work without/expired battery - no
Is there a battery replacement plan/cycle - no
Is the battery user replaceable - no
How long does the battery last - don't know
How long does it take once failed battery reported to replace - normal call out times excluding bank holidays etc.

Knowing my luck it will pack in on a bank holiday weekend or Christmas/New Year.

I declined and switched supplier instead.

I now the batteries probably last a long time, but my present meters don't need them.
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Old 2nd Jun 2019, 20:55
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After resisting for a long time, I've recently had SMETS2 smart meters installed. These are the latest generation and are claimed to let you change suppliers without a problem. The only reason for having them fitted is that Lumo are offering a very substantial financial incentive! The meters seem fine but the much advertised 'in-home display' (IHD) seems pretty useless.

I've got solar panels and the installer told me that once the IHD had 'sorted itself out' it would display negative power when I was exporting to the grid - as I do most of the day. It doesn't, it shows a consumption rate of zero watts. By pressing buttons on the electricity meter I can read how much electricity I have exported to the grid - a feature that I didn't have with the former conventional meter - but this information isn't available on the IHD. The cost information may yet 'sort itself out' but at the moment it shows me that 0.57 kWh of gas used today cost 2p, but the 1.18kWh used yesterday cost 1.18! However the gas bill so far is 97p. Incidentally, according to the IHD, the cost of gas per kWh is 3.01p and the daily standing charge is 30.62p. Work that out!

The unit is sensitive to turning on and off electrical appliances giving what is probably an accurate electricity consumption reading. However, I was hoping to see that the gas consumption is usefully lower when simmering a pan gently than when boiling vigorously, However the gas information is only of use and cost so far today.

I don't see how this gizmo is going to change my energy use - or that of anyone else!

As for 42psi's concerns - I reckon the electricity meter - which also does all the communications to the wider world must be powered from the grid, not a battery. The gas meter presumably has a battery in it, but if the battery eventually goes flat I'm guessing that the meter would still pass gas, just that it wouldn't count the pulses. The electricity meter monitors communications with the gas meter and would, I imagine, report any communication failure so there would be a trigger to replace the battery in the gas meter. Alternatively, meters are routinely replaced at least every ten years - perhaps the batteries are designed to last at least that long?
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Old 2nd Jun 2019, 21:19
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Originally Posted by Andrewgr2 View Post
I don't see how this gizmo is going to change my energy use - or that of anyone else!
It may do when they start time-dependent differential pricing.

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Old 3rd Jun 2019, 07:33
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
It may do when they start time-dependent differential pricing.
How so? - I'm not going to cook my dinner at 4am.
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Old 3rd Jun 2019, 07:43
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
How so? - I'm not going to cook my dinner at 4am.
The hope is that you will, that's what the government have been told (in effect) by those lobbying to make "smart" meters mandatory. The aim is to reduce consumption during the 4pm to 7pm peak period. The fact that this demand is caused largely by people cooking meals, and that people won't want to cook meals earlier or later than this, seems to have flown over the heads of those planning this stuff.

I now have a battery system installed (it's a prototype, under trial) and can use that to reduce our consumption during the peak period, but it would not be a cost-effective solution at the moment. There's no way that the cost of the battery storage solution would be recovered from any saving in electricity use at current prices.
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Old 3rd Jun 2019, 07:52
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I have a dumb meter. I submit readings every month so I can check my consumption over time. I submitted readings yesterday only to be told that a statement would not be generated until they called for a reading in some months. Not exactly useful to me.

Once again I called and a statement was generated.

I am told that a Smart Meter will enable me to log in to their site and see a graphical display of consumption. They don't do this now with my readings. Are they telling porkies? I am with EDF.

Previous suppliers have had a graphical display.

They have suggested I book a smart meter appointment but each time I have been told no fitters.
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Old 3rd Jun 2019, 08:02
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They don't work reliably in our village due to the appalling BT signal which the majority depend upon.
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Old 3rd Jun 2019, 08:37
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post


I am told that a Smart Meter will enable me to log in to their site and see a graphical display of consumption. They don't do this now with my readings. Are they telling porkies? I am with EDF.



They have suggested I book a smart meter appointment but each time I have been told no fitters.
I don`t have a smart meter [yet] and am currently with Avro Energy who have proven to be very open about smart meters. Their web states they its not a good idea to be involved with SMETS1 meters and as yet they have no reliable information to offer customers regarding SMETS2 meters. I provide them monthly readings, and am able to view graphically my total consumptions. Why would we need a smart meter to enable us to log into their site, when we do it already to submit readings?
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Old 3rd Jun 2019, 09:13
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If anyone just wants a reliable display of how much energy they are using/have used then there are some very good energy monitoring systems around that don't require either a "smart" meter or an internet connection. We use a system that I built in to our house and which measures, logs and displays a whole host of different parameters, of which energy is just one, but there are several commercial units available that do a similar job. One of the most comprehensive systems available is the Open Energy Monitor, which offers loads more versatility than a "smart" meter, for those that like this sort of thing: https://openenergymonitor.org/
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Old 3rd Jun 2019, 09:19
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Smart meters are the result of lobby groups.

The success equation is:

Smart lobby groups + Dumb Government = financial success for the lobby group.

Works every time.
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Old 3rd Jun 2019, 10:00
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When I need an appliance I turn it on.
When I don't need it I turn it off.
Why should I need to watch a smart meter?
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Old 3rd Jun 2019, 10:31
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Originally Posted by gemma10 View Post
I provide them monthly readings, and am able to view graphically my total consumptions. Why would we need a smart meter to enable us to log into their site, when we do it already to submit readings?
As I am with EDFEnergy and they don't provide any graphic display now I don't have any assurance they will with Smart.

I am more interested in month by month consumption than minute by minute.
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Old 3rd Jun 2019, 18:47
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When I need an appliance I turn it on.
When I don't need it I turn it off.
Why should I need to watch a smart meter?
My thoughts entirely Sallyann

I am also aware that when I switch on a high energy appliance, or lots of electrical items simultaneously, that I'll be using more energy than usual.
Something tells me I'd still use my fridge/tumble drier/iron/toaster/cooker even if a smart meter was fitted.
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Old 3rd Jun 2019, 19:12
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The idea of the forerunner of the White meter (Economy 7?) - though we had differential electricity meters from the 1960s - was a cheaper overnight tarif (ours was for storage heaters) and if you ran your washing machine during the night-time tarif it was cheaper.
The fear of Smart meters is that they will enforce higher tarifs during peak periods (stick rather than carrot).
I am in a mobile 'phone signal blackspot so I don't see me being forced onto a Smart meter just yet.
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Old 3rd Jun 2019, 19:39
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I think one advantage of an in home display lies not with the bill payer but the household. You can show the one who leaves lights on or switches them on in broad daylight the cost. Most of our lights are led, we have two CFL we can't change. SWMBO leaves them on.
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Old 3rd Jun 2019, 20:53
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
I think one advantage of an in home display lies not with the bill payer but the household. You can show the one who leaves lights on or switches them on in broad daylight the cost. Most of our lights are led, we have two CFL we can't change. SWMBO leaves them on.
Does your SWMBO really need to see a meter before she can understand that leaving lights on uses energy?
Really?
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Old 3rd Jun 2019, 21:03
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
There's no way that the cost of the battery storage solution would be recovered from any saving in electricity use at current prices.
Certainly sounds unlike to be worthwhile domestically. But if you have a lump of industrial plant it can actually be worth dumping a couple of containers of batteries in a corner of the car park, with the right control gear - people are building such systems now.
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Old 3rd Jun 2019, 21:06
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Originally Posted by G-CPTN View Post
The fear of Smart meters is that they will enforce higher tarifs during peak periods (stick rather than carrot).
At present the energy company has to sell you electricity for the same price for every half hour. Even when there's a peak in demand and for one half hour they have to pay ten times (yes, really) the usual price.

They'd rather pass this risk onto the consumer.
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Old 3rd Jun 2019, 21:07
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Does your SWMBO really need to see a meter before she can understand that leaving lights on uses energy?
Really?
The meter will tell you whether your light costs pence per month or pence per minute.
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