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Old 30th Jan 2018, 16:12
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Definition: Not fit for purpose.

Here is a wonderful example. Luckily the parents of Worboy's victims managed to stall his release on the basis of this.

Saturday's DT.

"The study found 1 in 10 sex offenders who completed the program committed new offences , compared with 1 in 12 of those who did not (complete the program)"

A strong basis for his parole was contributed to by attending this course. Duh.

Other examples of 'not fit for purpose' proven by facts and not opinion????
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 18:16
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Originally Posted by RAT 5 View Post
Here is a wonderful example. Luckily the parents of Worboy's victims managed to stall his release on the basis of this.

Saturday's DT.

"The study found 1 in 10 sex offenders who completed the program committed new offences , compared with 1 in 12 of those who did not (complete the program)"

A strong basis for his parole was contributed to by attending this course. Duh.

Other examples of 'not fit for purpose' proven by facts and not opinion????
Are people put on the course at random or are those most likely to re-offend put on the course?
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 19:37
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In the states, between 1 in 10 and 1 in 8 child molesters recidivate, although relying on studies for sex offenders is problematic - unless the crime is against a stranger, the great majority of sexual crimes are not reported and of those reported, there is a substantial number that are not prosecuted. 1 in 3 rapists are repeat offenders.

Although draconian, perhaps castration, followed by excision, followed by death should be implemented for repeat offenders, the first in the series of punishments reserved for child molesters and recidivists.
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 20:02
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Although draconian,
You are overcomplicating things. You missed the "bullet to the head" to recidivists concept. It is not a good precedent to set to mutilate people: either rehab them, or end them. I don't see the point in your multi step process.
Not everything needs to be a 12 step program.
(Heck, hanging used to be a punishment for horse thieves ... back when a horse was often a means of livelihood/feeding one's family, rather than the rich man's luxury that they have become. Maybe some fundamental principles are being forgotten)
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 20:19
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I smile at your response, Lonewolf. No 12 steps, indeed.

I recall a comedian suggesting that we wall off one state, put all the violent criminals inside, arm them, and put the whole thing on pay per view.
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 21:41
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I smile at your response, Lonewolf. No 12 steps, indeed.

I recall a comedian suggesting that we wall off one state, put all the violent criminals inside, arm them, and put the whole thing on pay per view.
Never happen. Democrats wouldn't want to lose the votes.
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 21:50
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On the subject of sex offenders, what would the panel suggest should be done with this person:
Cross-dressing Burnley burglar jailed indefinitely | Lancashire Telegraph

who now decides he is a woman and wants to be treated as such and moved to a women's prison?
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 22:01
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Never happen. Democrats wouldn't want to lose the votes.


The same could be said of the GOP regarding pathological liars, sex offenders and serial rapists of our land and water.

I do suppose you have a point getting such a thing through Congress. While Republicans may be ok with selling criminals guns and putting up walls, I'm bettin' they'll have a tough time with domestic televised violence competing with one of their wars overseas. Aside from that, all the best candidate states for walling off are red.
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 22:03
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 View Post
(Heck, hanging used to be a punishment for horse thieves ... back when a horse was often a means of livelihood/feeding one's family, rather than the rich man's luxury that they have become. Maybe some fundamental principles are being forgotten)
The fundamental principle which I take from that, and which results in all sorts of shock and horror when I say it out loud, is that the death penalty is essentially an economic issue, and only becomes a moral one if you're rich enough to afford it.

If a society is rich enough to afford to abolish the death penalty, all well and good, and they would have my support. But if the cost of feeding a criminal (who has to be imprisoned for public safety and is thus not doing any useful work to contribute to producing food) through the winter is that two other people die of starvation, what then?
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 23:10
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I smile at your response, Lonewolf. No 12 steps, indeed.

I recall a comedian suggesting that we wall off one state, put all the violent criminals inside, arm them, and put the whole thing on pay per view.
A purpose for the Isle of Wight?
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 23:54
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A purpose for the Isle of Wight?
Not big enough. I'd suggest somewhere larger. Australia might fit the bill
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Old 31st Jan 2018, 00:41
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Actually we already have the places here in the USA. We just need to add the walls.

Detroit, Baltimore, and NYC for starters. Maybe Compton.
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Not big enough. I'd suggest somewhere larger. Australia might fit the bill
No thanks! We had enough of your lot back in the late 1700's.

Although, come to think about it, they couldn't be any worse than some of the lot that have been coming here over the last 25 or so years!
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Old 31st Jan 2018, 06:22
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Other examples of 'not fit for purpose' proven by facts and not opinion????

Guys: the idea behind the opening thread was not to discuss a particular topic, e.g. sex offending, but to highlight other areas where answers to a problem have proved ineffective. This was a light-hearted observation that struck me immediately reading this newspaper article.
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Old 31st Jan 2018, 06:33
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Other examples of 'not fit for purpose' proven by facts and not opinion????

Guys: the idea behind the opening thread was not to discuss a particular topic, e.g. sex offending, but to highlight other areas where answers to a problem have proved ineffective. This was a light-hearted observation that struck me immediately reading this newspaper article.
Lets start with this bunch then, for whom being "not fit for purpose " is an understatement.

Can be seen at every traffic incident or motorway repair / maintenance operation on a daily basis, let alone this one example.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/new...en-up-11015868
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Old 31st Jan 2018, 06:36
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A purpose for the Isle of Wight?
This is virtually the case now. My son used to deliver convicts from the courts to various prisons, including the Isle of Wight.
One of those, HMP Albany, was the destination for convicted sex offenders. Presumably, it is full of them.
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Old 31st Jan 2018, 07:47
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Are people put on the course at random or are those most likely to re-offend put on the course?
Looks like the ones who want to get out quickly to do it again get themselves on it.
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Guys: the idea behind the opening thread was not to discuss a particular topic, e.g. sex offending, but to highlight other areas where answers to a problem have proved ineffective. This was a light-hearted observation that struck me immediately reading this newspaper article.
Not fit for purpose is buying something which cannot deliver your expectations of what it was sold to you as being capable of

One major thing which fits the not fit for purpose tag is BREXIT
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Old 31st Jan 2018, 08:59
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Not fit for purpose is buying something which cannot deliver your expectations of what it was sold to you as being capable of
Such as Jeremy Corbyn?
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Old 31st Jan 2018, 09:10
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One major thing which fits the not fit for purpose tag is BREXIT
You really should do your homework.

Guy Verhofstadt, the EUs chief Brexit negotiator, admits it is the EU that is not fit for purpose, live on the BBC!

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/76...ht-integration
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