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Old 24th Jan 2018, 18:15
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Will the ft make up the loss to the charities, that felt they had to refuse the money raised, after the allegations made by the ft? I doubt if the final beneficiaries would care too much where or how money was come by anyway.

I can't help feeling that there was a strong touch of agent provocateurs in this event.

Is it any different to Service messes bussing in school teachers/nurses et al for the weekly hop. The ladies had very few illusions why they had been invited.

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Old 24th Jan 2018, 18:28
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You seriously need the difference between boys and girls explained to you?
I'm not busy at the mo- knock yourself out.

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Old 24th Jan 2018, 19:56
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Right on programme, there's now a petition to hold the Presidents Club to account from someone who was shocked and wasn't at the event.

https://www.change.org/p/government-...59809&jb=10897

'hostesses were ordered to wear skimpy black outfits with matching underwear and heels. '

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Old 24th Jan 2018, 21:01
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I was harassed in hospital today. I was called sweetie. Fortunately the wife didn't hear, she might have burst her stitches.
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Old 24th Jan 2018, 21:13
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I was harassed in hospital today. I was called sweetie. Fortunately the wife didn't hear, she might have burst her stitches.

Funny you should raise a turn of phrase used innocently.

I had a female member of staff go into absolute meltdown during a recent meeting. Someone had mentioned that he’d, “Get the girls in the office to run off a few copies.” She was livid! She said referring to women as “girls” was demeaning and patronising and that we were still in dark ages with our attitudes. There was a stunned silence as I truly believe several around the table thought she was joking. It got me thinking; I’ve actually said things like, “The boys in engineering might like to look at that.” Or “Let’s send a memo to the boys in HO.”

Am I being derogatory to males referring to them as “boys.”?
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Old 24th Jan 2018, 21:24
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I have just recalled being 'called out' by a female for addressing her as "Lady".
She responded (vehemently) "Don't call me 'lady'!" - which struck me as strange . . .
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Old 24th Jan 2018, 21:44
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I have just recalled being 'called out' by a female for addressing her as "Lady".
She responded (vehemently) "Don't call me 'lady'!" - which struck me as strange . . .
Reminds me of an incident many years ago on the London Underground. It was pretty crowded, I was in a seat and when an elderly lady got on I stood up and offered her my seat. She was exceptionally indignant, and replied "I'll have you know that I am not THAT old, young man!", then turning her back to me and remaining standing.........
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Old 24th Jan 2018, 23:48
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One thing that struck me is if the likes of Great Ormond Street can return £500,000 without batting an eyelid to be seen to be PC, they don't need a donation from me... end of the day £500,000 can treat a lot of sick kids, and as that is the sum of the monies raised, It assumes this happened every year.
I wonder if they also are returning the interest gained.
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Old 25th Jan 2018, 03:37
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All seems a bit tame to me . A few years ago a German insurance company threw a far better organized annual bash with colour coded wristbands for the hostesses, specific colours denoting availability, depending on ones pecking order in the company...
mind you it didn’t go down very well with the press probably rightly so, mainly for the squandering of shareholders money ,but the ladies were professionals and knew what they were getting into, or out of, just as these girls did ...
With such attention to detail can we take it you attended this Jurassic period event then ?

Although many of the supportive, as in "can't see what all the fuss is about " posts from the chaps suggests their understanding of the 21st century and societal change is still firmly entrenched in this period....and any other than includes tertiary level cognitive development.

Here's but two of several articles ( feel free to read the others on the site ) which hardly suggests this was an evening dedicated to altruism and philanthropy.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-all-complicit

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-r...-wouldnt-again

And here's last nights C4 piece.....listen very carefully to the views of Jess Philips please.....

https://www.channel4.com/news/labour...ng-in-your-lap

Who knows, they may just germinate a realisation that society is not entrenched in the past, despite the fervent (and foetid ) wishes of many that it does so.

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Old 25th Jan 2018, 04:08
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K&C:
Nobody is suggesting that this event was anything other than a leerfest for a bunch of rich old men, with a side benefit of charitable fundraising.

However, when 130 women parade into an event – "clad in a short, tight black skirt and high heels", should it not occur to at least a few of them that they were not simply there to refill the water glasses?

This is indeed an astounding lack of "situational awareness" as you pilot sorts are wont to say.

And no, this is not blaming the victim, but simply stating the bloody obvious.
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Old 25th Jan 2018, 05:52
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i wonder what the scenario would have been had it been a city ladettes (birds) night out -

no doubt the cabaret may have been one or more of the chippendales type lads and many of the those so called now affronted ladies I am sure would have all been shouting ''get em off' and wanting to grab his big ***K or his peachy ***E
eh?
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ITV getting all preachy about the dinner this morning. Will they mention this?

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Old 25th Jan 2018, 07:16
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Pecunia non olet

GOSH should have kept the money and merely made a statement dissociating themselves from the event.

Vespasian imposed a Urine Tax (Latin: vectigal urinae) on the distribution of urine from public urinals in Rome's Cloaca Maxima (great sewer) system. (The Roman lower classes urinated into pots which were emptied into cesspools.) The urine collected from public urinals was sold as an ingredient for several chemical processes. It was used in tanning, and also by launderers as a source of ammonia to clean and whiten woollen togas. The buyers of the urine paid the tax.

The Roman historian Suetonius reports that when Vespasian's son Titus complained about the disgusting nature of the tax, his father held up a gold coin and asked whether he felt offended by its smell (sciscitans num odore offenderetur). When Titus said "No", Vespasian replied, "Yet it comes from urine" (Atqui ex lotio est).

The phrase Pecunia non olet is still used today to say that the value of money is not tainted by its origins.
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Old 25th Jan 2018, 07:46
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Originally Posted by G-CPTN View Post
I have just recalled being 'called out' by a female for addressing her as "Lady".
She responded (vehemently) "Don't call me 'lady'!" - which struck me as strange . . .


I hope you told her that you were simply giving her the benefit of the doubt but you now stood corrected.
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Old 25th Jan 2018, 08:27
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A bunch of game-on tarts wearing next to nothing at a men only event......obviously there for fine dining and intellectual conversation.....
God in heaven protect us from these shrieking harridans and PC wimps....

Sometimes Moscow doesnt seem such a bad place to live after all!
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Old 25th Jan 2018, 08:39
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I had a mate some years back, who to supplement his sporadic earnings from acting, moonlighted as a dancer in an all male troupe, a poor man's Chippendales, so to say. The stories that were imparted were shocking, bearing in mind the audiences were 99% female. What would be referred to as 'sexual assault' and 'sexual battery' these days were commonplace and some of the 'attackers' were very determined to get their way and were very aggressive when refused. All social groups catered to, mostly alcohol involved. Somehow acceptable then, perhaps now as well. He said that the best behaved were men in the Gay clubs that they performed in!
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Old 25th Jan 2018, 08:42
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Ah! The moral high ground, nice and safe from life's realities, KC.
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Old 25th Jan 2018, 08:44
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What's the problem with a bunch of business whores mixing it with a gang of flesh sellers?

The great shame of it though lies in this for here is where the real hard rub comes into play.


Great Ormond Street said it would hand back the £530,000 given to it by the club between 2009 and 2016.

The Eveline London Children’s Hospital also said it was returning donations. London’s Royal Academy of Music said it will refund a £10,000 donation made in 2017 as a scholarship to a violin student.

That will be funding that is difficult to replace and where is the moral imperative to do so if it isn't from the same sort of sanctimonious people as attended the bash?
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Old 25th Jan 2018, 09:11
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Has anyone on the Left ever bothered to ask why Brendan Cox (Labour golden boy and husband of murdered MP Jo Cox), had to leave the Save the Children Fund?
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Old 25th Jan 2018, 09:40
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This you mean. "Save The Children executive quits after complaints of 'inappropriate behaviour'"

http://www.theguardian.com/global-de...ng-for-the-ngo
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