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Old 5th Jan 2018, 18:17
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African Migrants "may" have fuelled crime rise

Germany: Migrants 'may have fuelled violent crime rise' - BBC News

Wow the rocket scientists have finally realised that allowing lots of Africans into Europe is not really a very good idea.

What are Africans bringing for us? We already have to face a future whereby most menial jobs will be increasingly automised - hence experimentation with Universal Basic Income so that our existing low IQ unemployable have some dignity in life.

And we are letting in more of these unemployable, unqualified troublemakers who have no place in our society except to cause wahalah?

I support allowing temporary migration from nearby countries that have been affected by war or catastrophe that is not their own fault (eg my own parents took in Bosnian family when they were displaced to UK - and they all went back as soon as they could). But these African migrants are just economic migrants - our efforts should be focussed on reforming corruption and misgovernance in their home countries - not extending a free holiday for violent criminals!.

I have spent almost two decades working in Africa and these people are utterly contemptible - totally greedy, venal, with no shame whatsoever to crush their fellow human beings for personal gain. They are centuries removed from any civilisations in Europe or Asia.
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Old 5th Jan 2018, 18:26
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Now, they tell us, when many could have forewarned us decades ago.

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Old 5th Jan 2018, 18:40
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At least, those who demanded entrance should have been'documented' according to their origin - or if undeclared origin then documented as such.

No documentation then 'they don't exist' (legally) - so no benefits or consideration other than subsistence rations and a place in a refugee camp with no chance of assimilation into the general populace (call them concentration camps if you like).
When they remember from whence they came then they could move up the scale towards asylum.
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It's deja vu, all over again.
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Someone did warn you. You ignored it.
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It's not just a European issue. Australia has a tiny African immigrant community which is causing law and order problems way out of proportion to its size.

It's our fault, of course. Seeing as there are no examples of African immigration working successfully anywhere else on the planet, what made our government think it would achieve a different result here?

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes...

From this week's newspapers:

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/sh...05-h0e6w9.html

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/af...05-h0e41j.html

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/po...05-h0e07a.html

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/vi...06-h0edue.html

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/fo...05-p4yy9g.html

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nati...b200b692ee3143



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Australia enjoying the same benefits of migration...

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Most of the Africans causing headaches here in Melbourne are youths born here...
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Victorians scared to go to restaurants at night because of street gang violence: Peter Dutton

Victorians scared to go to restaurants at night because of street gang violence: Peter Dutton

Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton has blasted the Victorian Labor government over African street crime, claiming residents of Australia's second-largest city were scared to go out to restaurants at night.

In a dramatic intervention in the state's crime debate, Mr Dutton accused Premier Daniel Andrews of undermining the police and the courts and said political correctness had "taken hold" in the state.

Mr Dutton told Sydney radio station 2GB that "people are scared to go out to restaurants of a night time because they are followed home by these gangs" and were worried about home invasions and cars being stolen, but did not provide any evidence to support these claims.

"You look at some of the jokes of sentences that are being handed down, there's no deterrence at the moment," the newly installed Home Affairs Minister and former police officer said.

"And the state government's wrapped its police force up in this politically correct conversation - which I think they're trying to break out of and they are trying to do the right thing - but I think the state government's really been caught flat-footed."

Mr Dutton claimed police were getting a "go soft" message from the state government, which he also criticised for appointing civil libertarians to the judiciary.

"We just need to call it for what it is. Of course it's African gang violence. It's not the whole community, there are many good people within the community that would condemn this action as strongly as you and I would...and have done so, and to their credit.

"We need to weed out the people who have done the wrong thing, deport them where we can, but where they are Australian citizens, we need to deal with them according to the law."

Acting Victorian Premier Tim Pallas has hit back, accusing the federal government of cutting funding that Victoria could have used for law enforcement.

"We take our advice on these matters from Victoria Police, not from desperate politicians propping up a desperate prime minister and his desperate government," he said.

"These ridiculous comments made on Sydney radio are not only wrong, they are particularly galling given Malcolm Turnbull wants to cut $972 million from Victoria's GST share - the equivalent of 7,700 frontline police officers."

Victoria's Youth Affairs Minister Jenny Mikakos says tackling youth crime and gang violence will take more than the simplistic answers offered up by critics.

"For those people who are running around putting about simplistic answers, all I can say is that is a complete con job," she told reporters in Melbourne.

"Because one thing alone is not going to fix this issue."

Ms Mikakos said youth crime is not a new issue, and authorities have been working with police and community organisations to focus on prevention and early intervention for a number of years.

"We have a very significant number of young people of African descent in custody in our youth justice system at the moment," Ms Mikakos said.

While people of Sudanese backgrounds are over-represented in crime statistics, Victoria's youth crime rates have been declining for a decade and the last quarter of 2017 saw a drop in overall crime.

Mr Dutton said the independence of the courts should be respected but insisted they weren't above criticism, going on to attack "pathetically weak" decisions by some magistrates.

On Tuesday, Victorian Police Minister Lisa Neville and acting chief commissioner Shane Patton vowed youth gangs would be stamped out but sought to downplay concerns the state was facing a crisis.

Ms Neville and Mr Patton said four high-profile incidents in December linked to African youths had fuelled a misconception that police were not willing to call out and address gang violence.

Police have expressed caution about describing the spate of activity as "gang crime" because the core group of youths taking to the streets were not actually involved in organised crime.

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull on Monday said the federal government was "very concerned about the growing gang violence and lawlessness in Victoria".

Mr Dutton also criticised federal Labor leader Bill Shorten for opposing government legislation that would have required aspiring Australian citizens to demonstrate steps to integrate with Australian society.

"As a Victorian, frankly, he should know first hand why this is important and there's, I think, a long way to run in this debate," Mr Dutton said. "But the short answer is that, if people haven't integrated, if they are not abiding by our laws, if they don't adhere to our culture, then they are not welcome here."
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I have spent almost two decades working in Africa and these people are utterly contemptible - totally greedy, venal, with no shame whatsoever to crush their fellow human beings for personal gain. They are centuries removed from any civilisations in Europe or Asia.

Remind me....how many Millions of people in Europe have been killed by fellow Europeans?

We could include the Turks and some Slavs too if you want.

For fairness sakes I will even include the treatment of Native Peoples by Americans and Australians.

Be it ethnic cleansing or street crime....there are some ugly sides to all sorts of ethnicities and nationalities.

Finger pointing is a dangerous game as there is plenty of blame to go around.

Not that I disagree in what you meant to say in that Africans can hold a very much different set of values than those from more developed nations.

Not all of them are evil murdering robbers.....some are just like the rest of us trying to raise our families and make a better life for them than we had and do so in a totally acceptable manner.
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Old 6th Jan 2018, 13:03
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Originally Posted by Trim Stab View Post
Germany: Migrants 'may have fuelled violent crime rise' - BBC News

Wow the rocket scientists have finally realised that allowing lots of Africans into Europe is not really a very good idea.

What are Africans bringing for us? We already have to face a future whereby most menial jobs will be increasingly automised - hence experimentation with Universal Basic Income so that our existing low IQ unemployable have some dignity in life.

And we are letting in more of these unemployable, unqualified troublemakers who have no place in our society except to cause wahalah?

I support allowing temporary migration from nearby countries that have been affected by war or catastrophe that is not their own fault (eg my own parents took in Bosnian family when they were displaced to UK - and they all went back as soon as they could). But these African migrants are just economic migrants - our efforts should be focussed on reforming corruption and misgovernance in their home countries - not extending a free holiday for violent criminals!.

I have spent almost two decades working in Africa and these people are utterly contemptible - totally greedy, venal, with no shame whatsoever to crush their fellow human beings for personal gain. They are centuries removed from any civilisations in Europe or Asia.
Well nobody could ever accuse you of being a progressive social reformer could they.

Just being curious here, but, and I hope you don't mind me asking, how do you propose to ensure everybody who is born is subsequently perfect in mind and body.....tempting though it may be, eugenics is not the answer.

You say you spent 20 years in Africa....which begs the question as to why, if you detest the continent and the various populations therein that much, you stayed so long ?.... surely money or remuneration couldn't be the reason....could it ?

However, I do agree with your last paragraph ....you were referring to the former British Empire, our Colonial past and those who administered it here I take it ?
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Nigerian immigrants in U.S.:

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Then, of course, there is an African country which has received around 150,000 immigrants from a Western European country over the last 10 years. Many are, apparently, illegal and almost all were economic migrants escaping desperate economic conditions in their own country.
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Most of the Africans causing headaches here in Melbourne are youths born here...

So they have had all the benefits a first world country can offer, all their lives.
What's their excuse then?
What's their parents excuse?
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Is it because they is black?
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Re "What's their parents excuse?"

The vast majority of the migrants are hard working and make an effort to fit in. Sadly, and I've heard/ read this publicly, "The community leaders/ elders/ parents say they have lost control over the kids, are ashamed and don't know what to do" (paraphrasing here but you get the drift)
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Most of the Africans causing headaches here in Melbourne are youths born here...
Maybe some of the younger teenagers who are learning the 'craft' of robbery with violence etc. but many in these gangs of five to ten people are described as being adult males in their twenties and thirties. Here in Victoria the government will go to great lengths to protect these "poor, unfortunate" individuals and to demonise the victims.



The vast majority of the migrants are hard working and make an effort to fit in.
Very debateable if talking about the more recently arrived from both Africa and the Middle East. Otherwise yes, true.

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Then, of course, there is an African country which has received around 150,000 immigrants from a Western European country over the last 10 years. Many are, apparently, illegal and almost all were economic migrants escaping desperate economic conditions in their own country.
Genuinely intrigued- give us a clue?
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