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Old 15th Dec 2017, 04:16
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How offensive and patronizing can you get?

I'll bet its not as much as the BBC.

I'm all for disabled people being able to to be reporters, the guy who is in a wheelchair who does the security reports is excellent as is the blind guy who seems to concentrate on stories affecting the disabled (why?).

But sorry - this latest effort from the BBC is just too much. Why do you need to make a report about Brexit done by a disabled girl look like like a story for 5 year olds - dont the BBC think she can do an adult report on a serious subject?

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It’s the “special needs” thing again - a bit like this other BBC report from yesterday:

Primary league tables: Special-needs pupils struggle with new tests - BBC News

Surely, the whole label of “special needs” explains why these children aren’t achieving in tests, otherwise they wouldn’t be...special needs???

Why do we keep pretending that they’re not different? They have different requirements and need different treatment. In my school, I feel desperately sorry that these children because every day further emphasises and reinforces to them the gap between them and mainstream pupils. I agree that it’s patronising and insulting too, every single one of us has strengths and weaknesses, I can’t kid myself I’m clever enough to be a brain surgeon or fit enough to win Wimbledon but I don’t expect society to give me a “bye” because of it.

A conversation I had many years ago with an SEN lad always sticks in my mind. He said he was really pleased to be leaving to go to a specialist facility as he was hated feeling like the odd one out. At his new school, there would be others like him and he wouldn’t be fussed over and treated like an ornament.
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Owing to advancing grumpiness I have had to take defensive action so I don't watch the BBC news or anything political ( seems everything gets a political slant in these tendencious days). After all, when you have consumed the news are you really any the wiser, do you actually understand the real complexities and constraints, do you believe you have been given facts, and all the facts, by a disinterested impartial observer?

Deprived of an audience, perhaps they could just shut up.
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There's a coloured chap in a wheelchair who does an excellent job of appearing on those public funded exotic holidays, sorry, serious pieces of investigative journalism (not) in distant countries. He does a good job although the programmes are of little value. The girl commenting on Brexit did a fair job in the circumstances although the BBC felt it necessary to provide subtitles. If someone cannot communicate effectively then sorry, it's not the job for you. I did a couple of screen tests for the Beeb and other candidates were better in their eyes so fair's fair. I don't think they wanted to risk a gruff Scotsman telling the country that the weather was going to be pish that day.

Anyway, back to the plot. Why don't they let someone with a stammer commentate on the horse racing ? It could be absolutely brilliant. Snooker should have a colour blind commentator too ! It would be compulsive viewing. "He's snookered by the brown ball and can't see the brown which is behind the other two browns."
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I don't think they wanted to risk a gruff Scotsman telling the country that the weather was going to be pish that day
Quite right, having a gorgeous smiling Scotswoman telling you the weather is going to be pish is a much better way of breaking bad news.
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If you mean the lovely Carol K, I often realise I hadn't actually listened to the weather forecast....
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That's 'cos you've turned the sound off, as I do with Nigella!
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But sorry - this latest effort from the BBC is just too much. Why do you need to make a report about Brexit done by a disabled girl look like like a story for 5 year olds - dont the BBC think she can do an adult report on a serious subject?
I'm guessing its aimed at the younger viewer. Where did you find it?

Much like this....note the accent.

Find out the latest news on Brexit - CBBC Newsround

Why do we keep pretending that they’re not different? They have different requirements and need different treatment. In my school, I feel desperately sorry that these children because every day further emphasises and reinforces to them the gap between them and mainstream pupils.
Who is pretending that they are not different. Certainly no one I know. My daughters primary school takes in special needs kids, they are treated with dignity by the teachers and others kids alike. The kids grow up knowing not to be scared of people who are 'different'. Unlike in my day when most kids just took the p1zz out of the disabled and anyone 'different'.

The grumpy old men of JB may not like it but the world is changing. Get used to it.
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Snooker should have a colour blind commentator too ! It would be compulsive viewing. "He's snookered by the brown ball and can't see the brown which is behind the other two browns."
I think that ship has sailed.

This led to the infamously unhelpful quote from commentator Ted Lowe, who said: "Steve is going for the pink ball - and for those of you who are watching in black and white, the pink is next to the green."
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@Goudie. Nigella "never weighed or measured anything." Yum. I'm of the kind that likes women to look like females rather than skinny underfed schoolboys.
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Originally Posted by Yamagata ken View Post
@Goudie. Nigella "never weighed or measured anything." Yum. I'm of the kind that likes women to look like females rather than skinny underfed schoolboys.

You've obviously not seen the new skinny Nigella who - she'd have us believe - eats all of that calorie laden stuff that she cooks.
Simpering cookery fraud.
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Old 15th Dec 2017, 13:38
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I'm guessing its aimed at the younger viewer. Where did you find it?
I'm not sure that there are many 5 year olds interested in Brexit. But it was on the main BBC News website in their report on Mays trip yesterday - hardly compulsive viewing for children.
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If the BBC piece annoys you, make sure you don't watch Channel 4 during any of their disability programmes... they had a deaf continuity announcer on last night in the segments either side of an excellent programme about a deaf lad with a new cochlear implant. The announcer's speech understandably wasn't perfect... and I expect that would have had some of the usual JB grumpy old men screaming at nurse for the meds to be turned up.

I'm glad they gave the guy a chance, and I think it's good to challenge these boundaries that were arbitrarily set many years ago.
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Originally Posted by Laarbruch72 View Post
I'm glad they gave the guy a chance, and I think it's good to challenge these boundaries that were arbitrarily set many years ago.
I think there's a good argument for disabled programming to be made and / or presented by disabled people.

But when it comes to mainstream programming, surely the broadcasters should be considering who is best suited to the job rather than simply box ticking?
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Originally Posted by Andy_S View Post
I think there's a good argument for disabled programming to be made and / or presented by disabled people.

But when it comes to mainstream programming, surely the broadcasters should be considering who is best suited to the job rather than simply box ticking?
I cant remember his name but the BBC used to have a blind reporter who did a lot of reports on disability issues - surely if he was good enough to do a report on that subject he was good enough to do one on Foreign relations or Defense?

And if he wasnt good enough why was the BBC treating articles about the disabled as less important?
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Old 15th Dec 2017, 14:30
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"The grumpy old men of JB may not like it but the world is changing. Get used to it. "

Yes, but nobody but a complete fool believes that all change is good.

Grumpy Old Men, unlike their detractors, know first hand how much better many aspects of society were fifty years ago. Their challengers have ALL their "knowledge" of that period second-hand or worse.
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Grumpy Old Men, unlike their detractors, know first hand how much better many aspects of society were fifty years ago.
And they'd never view that period through rose tinted spectacles would they, subconciously erasing all that was bad about an era. ;-)
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I often listen to In Touch presented by Peter White, even though I have no problems with my vision, nor have any of my family - its just an interesting well-presented programme. I saw him on an old edition of Antiques Road Trip the other day and he was a great participant, although I was pleased to see they didn't go so far as to let him drive the classic car they go around in!
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Oy you “C***”

Is that the best you can do for a thread title

I claim the prize for being the most offensive and patronising

Gets coat and hat....
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