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Old 19th Oct 2017, 14:53
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Language question.

I do online surveys every now and then and today one threw up an interesting question-



If we could start all over again at the beginning of time, would it be better for everyone on earth to speak the same language?
It would?
It wouldn't?
or don't know?

Be interested in what other ppruners think as I had to answer "don't know"

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Old 19th Oct 2017, 14:55
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If we did, we wouldn’t - and where we did - we don’t.

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Old 19th Oct 2017, 15:13
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Chinese?
Which one?

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Size of the branches represent the recorded native speakers before Year 0
Really? It was recorded? Before year zero?
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Old 19th Oct 2017, 15:35
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Here's a comprehensive one, I thought but note 7 says several langauges do not fit into any category!
Language evolutionary tree in eLinguistics
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Given that the charts are all in English, the Internet is primarily English, most computer programs are written using English based coding, and the Bible is in English, I think we have an answer.

Another way of looking at it is that English is a bastard language that has absorbed essential terms from all other languages, so that is why is has become the language spoken or understood by probably more people than any other. Chinese written language is understood by more people, but pronounciation between different regions varies enormously, so while written notices can be understood, the spoken language cannot.
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Oooh, what a can of worms has been opened.
If everyone spoke the same language would there be regional dialects? would my delightful French neighbour not have the same sexy accent that she has now?
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Originally Posted by G0ULI View Post
Given that the charts are all in English, the Internet is primarily English, most computer programs are written using English based coding, and the Bible is in English, I think we have an answer.
The Bible is in English? In English speaking countries it may have been translated into English, but in Spain it is in Spanish, French in France etc.

You don't believe it was written in English do you?
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Old 19th Oct 2017, 16:27
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I am drawn between the two most common languages, Gibberish and Bullsh*t.. both used the world over in one form or the other.
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Old 19th Oct 2017, 16:35
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000001 000011 00111 seems to be today's language.
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Old 19th Oct 2017, 16:55
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Languages

"Any given language can be thought of as some other language spoken badly".
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"IF ENGLISH WAS GOOD ENOUGH FOR JESUS, IT'S GOOD ENOUGH FOR US ALL!!!"




The one language that I have not yet seen successfully pigeon-holed as to its origin was BASQUE. I once read Finnish was quite close to it. Anyone else know anything about it?
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Old 19th Oct 2017, 17:13
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As Gouli says - Christ gave the Sermon on the Mount in English, and a reporter from the BBC was there to take it down in English.

Funny man.....

(Hint: google "Hebrew," "Aramaic," "Greek," "Latin" and "Vulgate.")

More seriously - if one is a Biblical fundamentalist, one "knows" there was originally only one language - the one Adam and Eve spoke to each other, and that God and the Snake used to speak to Adam and Eve. And forever after - until the "Tower of Babel" incident.

If one is a humanist anthropologist, it is probable that the first "language(s)" were not spoken, but gestural. Probably as simple as pushing, shoving and "threat" gestures to mean "Get away from me/my mate/my food" or "Go that way." Along with vocalizations for emphasis. Somewhere in Africa - although that does not mean any current African language is closer to "the original" than any other language.

Which then raises the question of whether spoken language as we know it today (specific vocalizations to mean specific things) was developed while humans were still in a small, localized part of Africa, or developed in different places once the "diaspora" from Africa had reached the ME, Europe, Central Asia, the Far East, etc.

Realistically, we'd have to have a common understanding of what "in the beginning" really means - and it may mean a considerable spread of time, from 2.5 million to 100000 years ago.

None of which are "the beginning of time." Which even to the fundamentalist, predates Adam and Eve by at least 5 days.

Therefore it is a nonsense question as stated - but noodling out the meaning as opposed to the langauge (speaking of Babble) then:

No - it would not be better if we'd all started out speaking the same language (which we may). Because language is situational and will evolve and develop according to what language is needful and useful in a given environment.

And ultimately, that leads to a better understanding of the world. The early long-range explorers learned a lot about the new places they were discovering, from the language that other humans had evolved in that environment. As well as "expanding their brain-power" through the effort of learning a different language, or at least developing a functional creole "compromise" for understanding.
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I am tempted to relate the joke about gestural sign language, but that really would get me banned for ever.
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Spent 4 years at university in my 40s studying French and Russian, which I thoroughly enjoyed, so I have to answer the OPs question by saying - "it wouldn't".

(I think Manx is missing off that Celtic branch btw ORAC).
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Old 19th Oct 2017, 18:23
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Originally Posted by Tankertrashnav View Post
Spent 4 years at university in my 40s studying French and Russian, which I thoroughly enjoyed, so I have to answer the OPs question by saying - "it wouldn't".

(I think Manx is missing off that Celtic branch btw ORAC).
On the version which pops up on my screen, Manx is just below and to the right of Scottish Gaelic
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Old 19th Oct 2017, 18:29
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As Gouli says - Christ gave the Sermon on the Mount in English, and a reporter from the BBC was there to take it down in English.
I definately remember Charlton Heston chatting to him in English when he went to collect his Ipad tablets from him on the mount. It was about the same time as the Brazillian was born, as I seem to remember a lot of burning bushes....
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