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Old 22nd Sep 2017, 23:55
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Uber banned in London

Uber stripped of London licence due to lack of corporate responsibility

The decision by the London mayorís transport body, Transport for London, was backed by Sadiq Khan, employment rights campaigners, and the trade body for the capitalís black-cab drivers, who have been staunch opponents of the US-based company.


Tory minister for London Greg Hands, said: ďAt the flick of a pen Sadiq Khan is threatening to put 40,000 people out of work and leave 3.5 million users of Uber stranded."

Lots of upset people over this decision - 400,000 have signed a petition complaining about the decision in less than one day.

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...for-london-tfl
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Old 23rd Sep 2017, 07:24
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/p...-ban-2kmllj3xk

“Uber said it was “astounded” by yesterday’s ruling, which is due to come into force at the end of next week, and vowed to lodge an appeal that will be heard by Westminster magistrates’ court within 21 days, giving the company a stay of execution. Any refusal to reinstate its licence will prompt an appeal to a senior court, raising the prospect of a lengthy legal battle.........

.......Business leaders reacted by saying that London was being run by “Luddites” and creating an impression that it was closed to innovation. Transport for London (TfL), which is chaired by Mr Khan, was accused of “cronyism” by bowing to pressure from trade unions and black cab drivers who have waged a campaign against Uber for years....... Many passengers, however, vowed to boycott London’s 20,000 black cabs, sharing the hashtag #boycottblackcabs on social media.

Sam Dumitriu, research economist at the Adam Smith Institute, said: “The only people that will benefit are the black cab lobby who have crushed a competitor through cronyism, rather than providing a better service.”

Mark Littlewood, director-general of the Institute of Economic Affairs, said that the decision was “an assault on drivers and customers alike, and a victory for protectionism”.

David Leam, director of infrastructure at London First, the business group, said: “This will be seen as a Luddite decision by millions of Londoners who use Uber and will also hit London’s reputation as a global tech hub.”

Alternative apps to Uber in London, with fare estimates for a six-mile trip from central to north London at 6.30pm last night. Compared to Uber estimate of £14 - £19.

Mytaxi Formerly Hailo, allows black cabs to be hailed with smartphone. Cut fares by 50 per cent yesterday. No estimate offered.

Gett New app of choice for black cab drivers is setting up a taxi-bus service with Citymapper, creating a flat-fare service for a fixed route. Gett also operates outside London. £29.19 for last night’s journey.

Addison Lee One of London’s oldest private hire firms launched an app in response to Uber, but not available outside London. £22.85 for last night’s journey.

Kabbee Acts like a comparison site for minicab firms, comparing 70 licensed providers. It describes itself as 65 per cent cheaper than a black cab. £20.80 for last night’s journey.

Lyft Minicab app that is a big player in the US, where it competes with Uber. No service in the UK yet. $24.23 (£17.92) for six-mile journey in New York from Lower Manhattan to the Upper West Side at 6.30pm EST last night.
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Old 23rd Sep 2017, 09:06
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The report contains this interesting snippet

"Many passengers, however, vowed to boycott Londonís 20,000 black cabs, sharing the hashtag #boycottblackcabs on social media."

I may be missing something, but how will Uber users 'boycotting' a service they weren't using anyway, going to have any effect? If they're talking about existing black cab users, who presumably don't use Uber, then it doesn't make sense.
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Old 23rd Sep 2017, 09:17
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40,000 Uber drivers, many of whom will be of African/Asian origin, put out of a job by Sadiq Khan.
Millions of Londoners from the same background, deprived of cheap fares by Sadiq Khan.

I wonder how many of them voted for him?
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Old 23rd Sep 2017, 09:31
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Good.
I hope Sydney bans them too.
Uber are complete cynical wankers - I refuse to use them on principle.
The jobs they provide are McJobs - perilously insecure, underpaid and premised on a fiction that their drivers are contractors.
Bullshit.
No sick leave, no holiday pay - no security.
It is an exploitative gig-economy business model.
The sooner we put a stop to this zero-hours, neo-liberal bollocks, the better.
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Old 23rd Sep 2017, 09:33
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Originally Posted by Blues&twos View Post
The report contains this interesting snippet

"Many passengers, however, vowed to boycott Londonís 20,000 black cabs, sharing the hashtag #boycottblackcabs on social media."

I may be missing something, but how will Uber users 'boycotting' a service they weren't using anyway, going to have any effect? If they're talking about existing black cab users, who presumably don't use Uber, then it doesn't make sense.
Yea its rubbish, the boycott will last just about till the next time they need to get somewhere like work or to the shops or to get a latte (or whatever the **** they are calling the over priced coffee in the little sheep-serving foreign staffed sh1tholes these days)
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Old 23rd Sep 2017, 09:46
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Sitigeltfel - Sadiq Khan isn't putting 40,000 workers out of a job.
Uber are doing that by failing to comply with TfL's regulations.

The regulators/law enforcers in any industry frequently get the blame for threatening livelihoods, when in fact the employers are entirely culpable through their own dubious practices and lack of corrective actions.
If the CAA closed down a dodgy airline, would it be the CAA's fault the pilots had to find work elsewhere?
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They will not be put out of a job. Rather they will have to work for a mini-cab firm that plays by the rules. My only experience of Uber is when one of them crashed into the rear of my coach at Marble Arch. The CCTV showed him using a hand held mobile doing over 40. Getting his details was difficult as he had very little English so Inspector Knacker took over. Turns out he was 'borrowing' the car from a licensed driver to make a few quid. No license (not even a driving license), no insurance and in the country illegally as an overstayer. Uber, of course, wiped their hands off the whole business.

Part of the problem is that as there is no control over the amount of mini-cabs chasing a finite amount of work. Cars are often hired for about £250 a week and this has to be paid irrespective of earnings through the Uber app leading to 18+ hour days and 'lending' the car out to keep it earning. If that makes the thousands who are signing this petition feel safe then let the free for all continue.

Old school mini-cab firms are not perfect but they at least have an element of control over their drivers, an office where you can roll up and book in person or indeed complain and they may even know who is in the seat of the car.
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Old 23rd Sep 2017, 10:08
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Are there really 40,000 Uber drivers in London? That sounds rather a lot to me.
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Old 23rd Sep 2017, 10:15
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Roughly 65000 minicabs and 23000 black cabs so 40000 Uber would be close.
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On behalf of all those who do not live in London can I just say:-

So what? Who gives a shit?
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Old 23rd Sep 2017, 10:22
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This is reminiscent of the time when minicabs first came into being. They were unregulated, you had no idea whether the drivers were competent, qualified, properly insured, whether their vehicles were roadworthy and suitable for use for public hire etc.

The result was that regulation was introduced to try and make minicabs a bit safer (not sure it ever really worked well, though).

Then along comes Uber, and makes it pretty easy for individuals that are not suited to driving a public service vehicle to do so. There have been a few cases where Uber drivers have had one or more serious failures to comply with the regs that are there to try to protect the public, and Uber seem to have a policy of not letting regulators have access to information about their drivers or vehicles.

As I understand it, this resistance from Uber to providing public safety-related information is what has caused TfL to refuse to renew their licence. My guess is that Uber will back down, provide the data that's been requested and will get their licence renewed. Similar situations have arisen with Uber in other cities, I believe, with the same sort of resolution.

Clearly Uber is trying to do things on the cheap, and doesn't want to have the hassle of dealing with the required safety and security checks on drivers and their vehicles, so this is all really just a bit of gamesmanship.

As for the number of Uber drivers, I think that a fair few minicab operators switched to Uber, so there's probably a pretty big overlap between the two. I can't see much difference between calling a minicab or calling a Uber cab, TBH. The core principle is the same, and as long as the driver and vehicle are operating within the rules designed to keep passengers safe and secure, then that seems fine to me.
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Old 23rd Sep 2017, 10:31
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The difference between Uber and old school minicab companies is that the vast majority of companies are small busnisses and take steps to ensure their drivers are legal and licensed correctly on pain of losing their operating license and business. Unlike Uber they do not have recourse to millions of pounds to take TfL to the Supreme Court if they are put in such a position.
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Uber = Ryanair. All the pluses, all the minuses.
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Put up a counter-petition and I'll sign it. Gig economy just diverts money to middlemen. All employees are entitled to vacations, sick days and a living wage. And they are expected to pay taxes, which UBER executives do not.
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If you want a safe , trustworthy and very knowledgable driver in and around London there is no substitute for a properly licensed black cab .. none ! Damn the expense I say ..
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If you want a safe , trustworthy and very knowledgable driver in and around London there is no substitute for a properly licensed black cab .. none ! Damn the expense I say ..
If I arrive in London for business or pleasure, my options to get to my destination are
1. walk
2. tube /bus
3. black cab
depending on location and weather.

For those unfortunate enough to live in London I would have thought those options, with the additional possibility of a properly licensed minicab operator, would be sufficient.

Uber is supposed to be worth 70 billion. That is a clear indication of how much they siphon out of the cities where they operate.
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Originally Posted by Avionker View Post
On behalf of all those who do not live in London can I just say:-

So what? Who gives a shit?
You should give a shit.
If you have kids - this is the future of their employment unless you wake up - vote or organise.
Over half of all jobs created in Australia over the last quarter were part time/contracting.
And its a pattern repeating itself across the OECD.
No rights.
And there is absolutely no reason for it... other than that employers have figured out that people are scared and desperate for jobs post the GFC.
This sort of stuff makes my blood boil.
Everytime you use an Uber or gig-economy like service you're undermining hard won rights - and most people are too dopey to realise it.
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Originally Posted by sitigeltfel View Post
40,000 Uber drivers, many of whom will be of African/Asian origin, put out of a job by Sadiq Khan.
Labour in government would put them all out of work anyway, with their promised ban of zero hours working.
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Old 23rd Sep 2017, 11:39
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Doesn't Uber:

Show the number plate of the car
The model of the car
A picture of the driver
The name of the driver
The current location of the car
The route that was taken
A breakdown of the bill
Cashless and Cheaper



Do Black Cabs Do This?

Do they even pay tax
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