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Aldi defend its decision not to sell booze at this till

Old 27th Aug 2017, 19:20
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Originally Posted by Jet II View Post
The treatment process of cleaning the birds is safe for human consumption,if it didn't clean the birds enough to make them safe to eat they wouldn't do it in the first place.
So, you finally admit that the report does not say the food is safe, as you claimed.

The 'experts' have only said the the chemicals used to clean up contaminated meat are not themselves harmful, if properly used.

In Europe, we do not need to use the chemicals because the animals are kept and slaughtered under clean conditions. Unlike the US, where anything goes as long as the carcases are cleaned up later.

Perhaps we can now leave the thread to its original purpose.
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Old 27th Aug 2017, 20:28
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I once had a supermarket checkout operator tell me she couldn't sell me a whole salmon because the look of it made her feel sick. The problem was solved by a colleague being called over to pass that item through the scanner. I suppose the same could be done with alcohol although I guess much more alcohol is checked out of the average supermarket than whole salmon.
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Old 27th Aug 2017, 20:31
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Americans can raise their animals under appaling conditions if they wish, and bombard them with toxic substances to render them "safe", but they veto the requirement for appropriate labelling.
So how do we make our choice?
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Old 27th Aug 2017, 22:48
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Demand appropriate labeling from the point of sale. If they balk, go elsewhere.
The Americans or anyone must meet consumer demands and importer requirements. If they do not it is at their own peril.
Want to import something into Canada for sale to the public? It better have labeling and instructions in French and English.
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Old 27th Aug 2017, 23:36
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Good for you in Canada.
Our wonderful unelected "government" in Europe caved in to US demands and do not require such identification..
I can demand as much as I like, there is nowhere else to go.
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Old 27th Aug 2017, 23:40
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Originally Posted by crewmeal View Post
Yes you've guessed it Aldi has put a polite notice stating no alcohol at this till after a Muslim worker has concerns about selling it.

Aldi closed till to customers buying alcohol | Daily Mail Online

Will they have a till stating no pork products will be served at this till? No I thought not.
Now you know how I feel here in The American Colonies, when some of our Religious-Right citizens try to instill their version of Christian Sharia Law on us.
VERY FRUSTRATING!!!

America is supposed to have "Freedom Of Religion", not "Protestantism is The Official Religion of the US"!
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Old 28th Aug 2017, 00:08
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It would help if you had just a basic grasp of comprehension.

1. Muslims working in McDonalds/getting along with neighbours = integration (tick VG).

2. Muslims refusing to handle alcohol/pork and other more serious crimes = multiculturalism (fail).

Dismissing legit concerns as 'waaaycism' just makes you look foolish...
Oooh I look foolish. Buggering hell that's a first!

Your interpretation of what is multiculturism is at best misguided and at worst just utter bow larks.

Muslims refusing to handle alcohol/pork etc is just more religious bow larks. But hey lets use it to stir up more hatred and point the finger at the nasty foreignors.

It is not the thrust of this thread that p1sses me off its the raving that follows it.

I have to agree with a couple of the other posters. Aldi should grow a pair and insist that religious preference has no place in their employment. Keep your skyfairy tales and customs to yourself it has no place at work. If you dont like it don't shop there. Same goes for M & S.

As for Halal. See above. Having said that, the vast majority of 'permitted' meat in the UK is slaughtered after being stunned first. It is also utter bilge to regurgitate the same crap about donations to religious or political parties after each slaughter. That is just more Britain First/EDL garbage.
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Old 28th Aug 2017, 00:13
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
What a lot of pathetic anti-Islam frothing going on here! The Aldi store has multiple check outs. The sign was placed well ahead of the cashier so a customer could quite easily join another queue.Is the issue here a "But, I don't want to join that queue. I want/demand the use of this particular till?"
You are a damn retard and a bloody snowflake. You are a waste of oxygen and I hope you suffer the terrorism which will engulf this continent.

Mowing down people in broad daylight.
Stabbing people to death.
Shooting innocent civilians in night clubs.
Blowing up concerts full of children.
Raping and molesting the Swedish population.
The list goes on and on and everybody seems to bloody forget the atrocoties that have occurred.

I am so sick of this current situation and how everyone is expected to be polite and submissive! Our country, democracy and continent is being attacked left, right and center on a near weekly basis and all we do is listen to our politicians talk bollocks, pray, light candles, change our bloody profile pictures, light up buildings and pretend to carry on like normal. But one day, it will be you that will be hit by a lorry, disfigured by a bomb blast or slashed several times in the neck and chest. Absolutely vile what is happening to this country and continent and nobody seems to give a damn!
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Old 28th Aug 2017, 00:32
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Oh dear.

This
You are a damn retard and a bloody snowflake. You are a waste of oxygen and I hope you suffer the terrorism which will engulf this continent.
is just plain nasty.

Why would you wish that on ANYONE? What a despicable individual you are.


What the hell has all that got to do with a checkout employee not handling alcohol? Oh yeah it means you can be strawman of the day and blame the entire terrorist woes of the last 20 years on Aldi.

But one day, it will be you that will be hit by a lorry, disfigured by a bomb blast or slashed several times in the neck and chest.
More chance of being run over by a car driven by a white male who is driving too fast/tired/stressed or drunk! But of course you knew that but decided to have an idiotic rant anyone.
F%($!&@ moron!
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Old 28th Aug 2017, 00:35
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A320ECAM: Are you familiar with the phrase "pot calling the kettle black"? For your info, I am neither a retard nor a snowflake (whatever one of those may be). I have actually been head to head, with rifles, grenades, bombs etc with a Muslim people. I put up with it for a year. When did you last go out and fight someone? In the meantime, wind your neck in, grow up and perhaps throw your keyboard in the bin.
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Old 28th Aug 2017, 00:36
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
So, you finally admit that the report does not say the food is safe, as you claimed.

The 'experts' have only said the the chemicals used to clean up contaminated meat are not themselves harmful, if properly used.

In Europe, we do not need to use the chemicals because the animals are kept and slaughtered under clean conditions. Unlike the US, where anything goes as long as the carcases are cleaned up later.

Perhaps we can now leave the thread to its original purpose.
The food is safe unless you can prove otherwise. You claim to want decisions made by experts but when those experts disagree with your preconceptions you run for the hills.

I repeat, the 'experts' have declared this process safe for human consumption.
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Old 28th Aug 2017, 04:10
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Reminds me of a time when I travelled down under, on a certain Antipoden Airline. After a tech stop in the M.E., no sooner had the drinks trolley appeared, a good majority of the recent boards ordered alcohol. The cabin crew asked if they were Muslim. Being good Muslims they owned up. They were promptly informed they would not be able to purchase alcohol. They couldn't get their heads around the fact they were refused.
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Old 28th Aug 2017, 04:47
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I'm in Jakarta at the moment - ~90% Muslim. Pork would be pretty hard to come by - things like bacon, peperoni, sausage, etc. that are normally made from pork are made from beef instead (the beef bacon is as bad as it sounds, the other stuff is at least tolerable). Alcohol - especially beer - is readily available and there is no shortage of bars/pubs that serve the stuff. Some smaller stores don't carry beer (or only alcohol free beer which is horrid), but if you ask will often point you to another shop nearby that sells it. The larger stores (e.g. Carrefour) sell alcohol and I never had an issue with having to go to a different checkout - no one seems particularly bothered by it.
I suspect some Muslims are making trouble at Aldi more because they can and want to make a political point.
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Old 28th Aug 2017, 05:29
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tdracer, what makes you think Muslims are all the same? Or are the Roman Catholics making a political point by refusing to employ female priests?
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Old 28th Aug 2017, 05:45
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Originally Posted by le Pingouin View Post
tdracer, what makes you think Muslims are all the same? Or are the Roman Catholics making a political point by refusing to employ female priests?
Wow, talk about a non sequitur! Someone applies for a job that involves handling alcohol and/or pork, then says they need special provisions because they object to handling said substances? Good grief, if you don't think you can perform a job without violating your religious beliefs, APPLY FOR A DIFFERENT JOB!!!
Next thing we'll have bar tenders that object to serving alcohol...
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Old 28th Aug 2017, 08:54
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I hope you suffer the terrorism which will engulf this continent.
That's not nasty - when (not if) it happens it will be Karma. Unfortunately it will also happen to me.
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Old 28th Aug 2017, 09:20
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Originally Posted by Jet II View Post
The food is safe unless you can prove otherwise. You claim to want decisions made by experts but when those experts disagree with your preconceptions you run for the hills.

I repeat, the 'experts' have declared this process safe for human consumption.
Why don't you just man up and admit you were wrong? I could respect you for that.

You claim that experts have said the food is safe, but your only reference says nothing of the sort.

And now you say food is safe unless it is proven otherwise. Do you really want that taken seriously?
On that basis you could take a bucket of faeces, 'make it safe' with those same sterilising chemicals, and serve it up on a plate.

Why don't you do that and let us know how it goes?
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Old 28th Aug 2017, 10:35
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tdracer, you're the one banging on about Muslims in Indonesia being happy to handle alcohol, implying all Muslims are happy to do so. After all, all Christians are the same.....

Last time I checked it wasn't illegal for an employer to accommodate individual employee requests to vary duties if they wish.
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Old 28th Aug 2017, 14:03
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Originally Posted by le Pingouin View Post
tdracer, you're the one banging on about Muslims in Indonesia being happy to handle alcohol, implying all Muslims are happy to do so. After all, all Christians are the same.....

Last time I checked it wasn't illegal for an employer to accommodate individual employee requests to vary duties if they wish.
You continue to pretty much miss the point (or more accurately, the points - plural).
In Indonesia, there are a huge variety of Muslim beliefs and adherence to said beliefs. Everything from strict (and extreme) adherence to Sharia, to what I refer to as 'Muslim in name only' (they drink, smoke, eat pork, etc. but still identify as Muslim). Within that Muslim community, the local business people seem to have little problem accommodating these various religious beliefs while providing the expected services to the general public.
Unless I'm missing something, the question is not varying employee duties to suit the employee needs, it's allowing the employee to unilaterally change their duties to suit themselves - the consumer needs be damned.
To put it a little differently, when certain Christians declined to provide services to a gay wedding - something their religious beliefs made objectionable - they were condemned and basically put out of business. But if a Muslim declines to sell alcohol we bend over backward to accommodate.
That just ain't right...
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Old 28th Aug 2017, 14:40
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From the article at the very beginning of this thread:

"Aldi has defended closing a till to customers wanting to buy alcohol because a staff member had 'concerns' about serving booze.

The discount store's Northampton branch fixed a sign warning customers no alcohol would be served at one of the checkouts."


Clearly indicates Aldi was responsible for the sign and voluntarily chose to vary duties - there was no unilateral action. Consumer needs are being met at other tills.


Not a valid comparison. The wedding service bigot was entirely happy to provide an identical service to the couple next in line. It wasn't a "sorry, I don't do prawn cocktails, choose something different". It was "I'm not serving you because you're homosexual". If anyone is pulling a political stunt it's this person.


If the sign had said "we don't serve short people" or "we don't serve Christians" at this till you'd have a valid comparison.



One is non-discriminatory and the other is utterly discriminatory.
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