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The no brake bike case

Old 26th Aug 2017, 06:09
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Originally Posted by salad-dodger View Post
A statement of the obvious. It then descended into the usual rant from the usual bunch of miserable old ***** about the evilness of cyclists.

I will point out again that I have not, nor never will, stick up for that moron upon whom the thread is based. But I will stick up for cycling and the everyday cyclist.

I also realise I am pissing in the wind with half the miserable old farts on here! If it isn't this they're moaning about it would be something else.

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No need to stick up for the everyday cyclist as no one is attacking them. Indeed I would hazard that the great majority of JB posters are, or have been, everyday cyclists. Especially the old farts.

Your posts make it difficult for me not to have you in the 'getthef**koutofmyway' cycling camp rather than the 'everyday cycling' camp.
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Old 26th Aug 2017, 08:33
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Originally Posted by M.Mouse View Post
a rolling road block.
When I'm cycling it's far more frequent for me to be blocked by motor vehicles than the other way around.
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Old 26th Aug 2017, 08:51
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Originally Posted by salad-dodger View Post
A statement of the obvious. It then descended into the usual rant from the usual bunch of miserable old ***** about the evilness of cyclists.

I will point out again that I have not, nor never will, stick up for that moron upon whom the thread is based. But I will stick up for cycling and the everyday cyclist.

I also realise I am pissing in the wind with half the miserable old farts on here! If it isn't this they're moaning about it would be something else.

S-D

It seems to me that you are intent on defending the indefensible, are drawing conclusions, without evidence, about the cycling skills and practices of the members posting in this thread that you are intent on offending, and ignoring the blindingly obvious.

All forms of competitive sport that involve racing, conducted on an open public highway with no marshals, warnings to the public, or other restrictions on access are potentially dangerous.

All those who walk, run, cycle, motorcycle or drive a car or other vehicle, in a manner that poses a hazard to other road users, are potentially dangerous.

All those who use any form of wheeled machine on the road, be it a push chair, bike, motorcycle, car or whatever, have a duty of care to ensure that it is safe and fit for purpose, irrespective of the laws that may apply.

You've chosen to be critical of, and deliberately distort, things I've posted on this thread, for reasons only you know. I've explained that I've been cycling on our roads more or less continuously, for around 55 years. My most recent ride was around 20 minutes ago. In your eyes, that experience carries no weight, and makes my opinions invalid, I know not why.

Like others who use our roads, it's rare for a day to pass when I don't see careless, sometimes outright dangerous, behaviour from those using the road. There is no particular group that is worse than any other, although it may sometimes seem that certain categories of people may present a higher probability of behaving carelessly.

There are idiots amongst us, some on foot, some pushing prams, some riding bikes, some motorcycling and some driving cars or trucks. Cyclists are no more immune from critical comment for poor behaviour than any other group, yet you seem intent on making them out to be blameless.

Getting back to the topic of this thread, the cyclist involved was not untypical of a small sub-group within cycling that feel that they can ride as they wish, where they wish, without any regard for the law or the safety of other road users. That's not singling out cyclists as a group, just a subset of idiots. Exactly the same point could be argued for a similar subset of motorcyclists, pedestrians, drivers etc.

Getting angry at those with decades of cycling experience, just because they are making a valid point about a minority in their midst, just makes you appear to be one of that intolerant minority who behave badly on our roads.

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Old 26th Aug 2017, 08:53
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Originally Posted by salad-dodger View Post
If it isn't this they're moaning about it would be something else.

S-D
If only they were moaning about their internet not connecting...
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Old 26th Aug 2017, 12:39
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If this happened in an EU country
Where it is illegal to cross the road other than at a designated pedestrian crossing
Do you think there would be the same outcome ?
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Old 26th Aug 2017, 13:16
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yes.

Per say if you are in a car and and a car rear ends you then its the car behind who is at fault.

Unless you are drunk because then you should have never been on the road in the first place. And the front car is at fault and you get done for drink driving.

Say rule apply's with any other vehicle on the highway. If its illegal then your automatically deemed at fault.
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Old 26th Aug 2017, 13:49
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So you mean no.
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Old 26th Aug 2017, 14:44
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Originally Posted by Katamarino View Post
I'm not sure if SD is thick or deliberately trolling. Pretty much every poster here has made it very clear that they are referring to a small minority of cyclists, but he insists on acting like everyone in the thread is insulting his mother. SD, if you are honestly sticking up for the kind of idiotic behaviour that people here are complaining about, you're as bad as the guy the thread started off about.
He's not deliberately trolling
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Old 26th Aug 2017, 16:37
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Originally Posted by mrangryofwarlingham View Post
If this happened in an EU country
Where it is illegal to cross the road other than at a designated pedestrian crossing
Do you think there would be the same outcome ?

You might want to clarify that statement...

...I live in an EU country and it's not uncommon to find designated pedestrian crossings more than 10 miles apart. Even in the cities, they can be situated more than a mile apart. Just two days ago, a lady was hit and killed by a motorcyclist while she was crossing the road on a designated pedestrian crossing....he did stop, but because he also died in the collision, no help was offered. Case has been investigated and closed already. She was crossing on the 'green man'....her body was thrown just over 40 metres, riders bike was found 250 metres further on...his body was retrieved from a tree, further down the street.

Verdict....the lady failed to see the rider coming.....accidental death...no insurance liability on either side.

PS. Motorcycle speed was estimated at more than 150 kph....in a designated 50kph zone!!

It appears to be her fault.
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Old 26th Aug 2017, 17:00
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Originally Posted by jonw66 View Post
He's not deliberately trolling
You haven't lost it have you jonny boy?

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Old 26th Aug 2017, 17:45
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Originally Posted by salad-dodger View Post
You haven't lost it have you jonny boy?

S-D
Not me mate
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Old 26th Aug 2017, 18:39
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I understand the requirements in those EU countries which have rules about pedestrians using crossings generally impose an obligation to use the crossing when nearby. Like less than 50 feet away.

In this case, I think the lady was only 30 feet away.

To suggest a pedestrian go 10 miles to find a crossing to cross the road would be childish.
Not that you did suggest such a thing.....
And no sensible country would ask its citizens to do so
Or have police that enforced such a ridiculous suggestion

I will be interested to see what sentence the judge gives. If custodial, I expect it will be successfully appealed.
Previous good character......
What do you think a judge would give someone guilty of ABH for a first time offence?
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Old 26th Aug 2017, 20:23
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Originally Posted by mrangryofwarlingham View Post
To suggest a pedestrian go 10 miles to find a crossing to cross the road would be childish.
In civilised parts of the world you discover the desire lines and that's where you build crossings.
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Old 26th Aug 2017, 20:34
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Originally Posted by jonw66 View Post
Not me mate
We're not mates. Save your love for Nutjob!
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Old 26th Aug 2017, 20:52
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
In civilised parts of the world you discover the desire lines and that's where you build crossings.

Reminds me of the architect who designed our new office and lab building. There were no paths marked on the landscaping plan, and when questioned she said the idea was to grass the whole area, wait and see where people walked, then put paths in those places.
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Old 26th Aug 2017, 20:56
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Originally Posted by mrangryofwarlingham View Post
. . . . .

I will be interested to see what sentence the judge gives. If custodial, I expect it will be successfully appealed.
Previous good character......
What do you think a judge would give someone guilty of ABH for a first time offence?
Riding intentionally illegally with no front brake which, in an emergency stop, supplies north of 80% of the braking effort. I do hope this arrogant little **** goes down.
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Old 26th Aug 2017, 21:27
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
Reminds me of the architect who designed our new office and lab building. There were no paths marked on the landscaping plan, and when questioned she said the idea was to grass the whole area, wait and see where people walked, then put paths in those places.
Yup, heard that elsewhere, from an urban designer who wished he was allowed to do it!
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Old 26th Aug 2017, 21:51
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
In civilised parts of the world you discover the desire lines and that's where you build crossings.
We have a situation where the main street through the village (though long-since by-passed so it no longer carries trunk-road traffic) is very wide.
The bus stops are, of course, on opposite sides of the road (which carries three lanes - two travelling west approaching a junction):-
View looking west.

Requests for a pedestrian crossing has dumbfounded the experts.
There is a filling station a few yards east of the bus stops:-
View looking east.
which restricts the possibility of building a traffic island (or the position of a pedestrian crossing) and the entrance to the nearby hotel carpark immediately to the west:-
Hotel carpark entrance.

The only solution would be to move both bus stops 100 metres to the east (where Main Street is much narrower which would cause congestion when buses were using the stops, especially both sides of the road).

If only one stop was moved, pedestrians would still want to cross where the westerly stop was located, especially as there is a 'right of way' short-cut from the village centre through the hotel carpark which avoids a narrow street route which carries all the southbound traffic from the north of the village - a traffic survey recorded a peak of 350 vehicles per hour along this street.
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Old 26th Aug 2017, 21:58
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Originally Posted by G-CPTN View Post
Requests for a pedestrian crossing has dumbfounded the experts.
People do tend to like having crossings by bus stops so that they can actually use the bus stops, yes. (There isn't one for my local bus stop, but it's usually possible to wait for a gap when the lights 200 yards away go red.)
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Old 26th Aug 2017, 23:54
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...... then put paths in those places.
The shortest distance between two points is .... a straight path .. er... line.
n'est ce pas ?

( going around ornamental ponds, statutes etc, of course, but you get the point)
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