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Old 23rd Aug 2017, 10:52
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I think that Carbon Dioxide is a pretty peaceful method as well.
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Old 23rd Aug 2017, 11:37
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Having lost my mum suddenly on xmas eve last year and my sister the year before (suicide) I can very much relate to the sentiments expressed here. I do find myself more emotional and prone to crying at silly things - a video clip on fb or even a post can cause 'dust in the eye'
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[QUOTE Bastard bloody Cancer.[/QUOTE]

Please accept my condolences at this, the worst of times.

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Old 23rd Aug 2017, 13:27
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Originally Posted by funfly View Post
I think that Carbon Dioxide is a pretty peaceful method as well.
That's my plan B
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Old 23rd Aug 2017, 14:27
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Fonsini/Santini

You and I must be twin sons of different mothers, Sir! "Chow down on me, hogs!" is one of the funnier lines and scenes in all moviedom.

As you, I am rather fond of Dos Equis. Una mas cerveza por favor!

My son used to live in Scottsdale and took a serious bath on his home which had depreciated 40% during the burst of the real estate bubble in 2008. Have Arizona property values rebounded?

Spartacus: Knowing we can. All men lose when they die and all men die. But a slave and a free man lose different things.
Tigranes Levantus: They both lose life.
Spartacus: When a free man dies, he loses the pleasure of life. A slave loses his pain. Death is the only freedom a slave knows. That's why he's not afraid of it. That's why we'll win!


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Old 23rd Aug 2017, 18:46
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I think that Carbon Dioxide is a pretty peaceful method as well.
Carbon Monoxide is more effective. I had a friend who decided to end it driving home. He parked in his garage, closed the door and left the engine running. He was unconscious and would have died apart from one mistake. In his keenness to get home he ran a red light at about sixty and the fuzz jumped on his tail. They lost him but traced the car and arrived at his garage to find the sound of a car running inside. With this they opened it up and dragged him outside where he recovered.

We thought that after that he would be sensible. No; he did it again a year later and was more careful. This time he succeeded.
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Old 23rd Aug 2017, 20:02
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Having lost various family, including younger sister, over the years to cancer, my father who they thought they had removed it, but it came back and there was nothing that could be done, but after the one thing most parents dread is out living a child (10 years old), it was not cancer but it still is a shock that hurts deep, and now I live to see my other two ladies and two grand sons, spending as much time as I have left enjoying their achievements and just being there for them.

I might be considered selfish but I have always hoped I would pass peacefully when my time comes before my wife of 44 years, as I think she is the stronger person than I, at least as she wears the trousers I hope I am right that she would cope better than I would if I lost her.

I don't openly show outward emotion often but do get grit in my eyes for some things and at times shed a tear when no-one is around.
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Old 23rd Aug 2017, 20:52
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Good point Exrigger. I think we Brits of a certain age are reluctant to show much emotion. Probably our upbringing when it was important to maintain a stiff upper lip.
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Old 23rd Aug 2017, 21:05
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Originally Posted by cavuman1 View Post
You and I must be twin sons of different mothers, Sir! "Chow down on me, hogs!" is one of the funnier lines and scenes in all moviedom.

As you, I am rather fond of Dos Equis. Una mas cerveza por favor!

My son used to live in Scottsdale and took a serious bath on his home which had depreciated 40% during the burst of the real estate bubble in 2008. Have Arizona property values rebounded?

Spartacus: Knowing we can. All men lose when they die and all men die. But a slave and a free man lose different things.
Tigranes Levantus: They both lose life.
Spartacus: When a free man dies, he loses the pleasure of life. A slave loses his pain. Death is the only freedom a slave knows. That's why he's not afraid of it. That's why we'll win!


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So the house prices have rebounded to a certain extent, but not fully. I'm down in Ahwatukee which has still not fully recovered, I believe that Scottsdale has fared better. I worked with one guy who had a huge home up in Anthem, he paid $750,000 for it, and when the bubble hit it was valued at $236,000 - he just gave the mortgage company the key and moved on.

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Old 24th Aug 2017, 10:24
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Carbon Monoxide is more effective.
I think you will find that nowadays car engines do not spew out the amount of CO required, however I would like confirmation of this as a method as it is far easier than rigging up CO2.
In my case I plan to have all the required stuff ready just in case I decide to need it one day.
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Old 24th Aug 2017, 10:42
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I think you will find that nowadays car engines do not spew out the amount of CO required, however I would like confirmation of this as a method as it is far easier than rigging up CO2.
In my case I plan to have all the required stuff ready just in case I decide to need it one day.
I know it sounds very morbid to think about ways to die with dignity, and without pain, should the time come, but it is something I've thought about a lot, ever since my father died, when I was 19. For the last couple of years of his life he begged us to let him die, pretty much every day. He did the same with our GP, which ultimately put the GP in a very difficult position the evening before my father died. Sadly, it also resulted in both my mother and I being cautioned for murder, and investigated, albeit very sympathetically, the day after my father's death (which was from natural causes as a consequence of disease, with no foul play), after my father's brother told the police that he suspected we had killed him.

Ever since then I've spent idle moments thinking about the ways that I could avoid having to go through what my father went through. From what I can gather, carbon monoxide seems pretty peaceful, but I'm not so sure about carbon dioxide. From what I remember from aeromed training, carbon dioxide regulates breathing, indirectly, in that high concentrations cause blood pH to decrease, which increases respiration rate in order to try and expel the excess carbon dioxide. I'm not sure I want to end my days panting like a hot dog.

Hypothermia definitely seems to be pleasant in the latter stages, from what I've seen. The problem is that it's unpleasant until you get to the point where your core body temperature has dropped enough to cause the euphoria and detachment to kick in.

I think that the best option, if you can obtain it, would be a powerful opiate. This is pretty much how we unofficially practise euthanasia for the terminally ill today - it seems that high doses of morphine are, more often than not, a significant contributory factor in the death of those with painful terminal disease.

The problem is one of how to obtain enough opiate to be effective when the time comes, and how to be sure that you can administer it. Obtaining it isn't hard, and there are semi-legal ways to get enough raw opium to do the job - just grow the poppies in your garden, a viable extraction method from the dried pods is widely available on the internet, as is the prep for converting this to morphine. Administering the stuff seems to be the main challenge, and to be honest I've not yet come up with a fool proof way of doing this without implicating anyone else (and, given my experience, I would not want anyone else to be under suspicion).
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Old 24th Aug 2017, 11:30
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Rosevidney1 (#68),

Spot on ! The sight of footballers (and other sportsmen) jumping about like great Jessies and hugging their teammates when they've scored a goal, turns my stomach ! Would turn the TV off if only I could remember where I put the remote.

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Old 24th Aug 2017, 11:41
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Way to Go ?

My preference would be anoxia (do they still have the demo [on yourself] in a Decompression Chamber as a routine part of an aircrew course ?) More effective than any lecture.

No pain, no discomfort, no worry. You know what is going to happen to you, but you just don't care.

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Old 24th Aug 2017, 11:54
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Originally Posted by Danny42C View Post
Way to Go ?

My preference would be anoxia (do they still have the demo [on yourself] in a Decompression Chamber as a routine part of an aircrew course ?) More effective than any lecture.

No pain, no discomfort, no worry. You know what is going to happen to you, but you just don't care.

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All the time I was flying around 22 years|) we had to do a chamber run every two years, as a part of refresher training. AFAIK, that's still true today.

I agree, going off oxygen at 25,000ft and slipping away from hypoxia is a pretty peaceful way to go. Takes a fair time to kill you, though. I seem to remember being told that whilst you may lose consciousness after a few minutes, it would take something like half an hour to an hour for you to die.
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Old 24th Aug 2017, 11:56
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what about a plastic bag over the head?
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Old 24th Aug 2017, 12:02
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what about a plastic bag over the head?
I think that creates the same response as breathing excessive amounts of carbon dioxide; it increases respiration rate in the bodies attempt to increase blood pH.

I'd guess that a plastic bag with a carbon dioxide scrubber would work. If the partial pressure of oxygen is reduced (as it is at altitude) with no increase in carbon dioxide, then I think you would just suffer the classic symptoms of hypoxia, and drift into unconsciousness and then death.

It would be straightforward enough to rig up a carbon dioxide scrubber - the guys in Apollo 13 managed it.
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Old 24th Aug 2017, 14:37
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All you technically minded people and you don't know how to switch yourself off?

If you exhale into a bag, that gas and residual O2 will cause a reaction - you will fight to live. Exhaust gas? Ug! and the same reaction for a while.

The majority of gas you breath every day of your life will not cause such a reaction.


However, getting it in pure measure is seemingly quite difficult. They, the suppliers, are onto our little game and even balloon gas has air mixed with it to avoid liabilities.

Sadly, to toy with mortality has proved tempting to stressed and depressed teenagers - who are savvy enough to know the science. So, almost always now, there is an air mix.

Thinking of a cunning plan I eyed up aviation wheel inflation but I'm not sure lying on the tarmac with one's mouth over the valve of a main-wheel would be considered quite de rigueur these days and knowing my luck the aircraft would commence taxiing and I'd get me head run over.


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Old 24th Aug 2017, 15:24
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I have , unfortunately, known a few people that have died through carbon monoxide poisoning. Calor gas heaters in,tents is a good example. Years ago a friend of mine and his family were stuck in snow in the Scottish Highlands. He sat there with the car's engine running to keep the heater going. His exhaust pipe was embedded in the snow and fed the contents back into the car. It was only an hour before the snowplough arrived; too late.
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Old 24th Aug 2017, 15:25
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Thinking of a cunning plan I eyed up aviation wheel inflation but I'm not sure lying on the tarmac with one's mouth over the valve of a main-wheel would be considered quite de rigueur these days and knowing my luck the aircraft would commence taxiing and I'd get me head run over.


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Or just "borrow" one of the dry nitrogen cylinders used to inflate aircraft tyres. I'd guess they can be got hold of relatively easily.

Reducing he partial pressure of oxygen in a reasonably well-sealed space, by just adding loads of nitrogen, would have exactly the same effect as being in the hypobaric chamber, I think (there are medics here who could say one way of the other).

From what I can remember of aeromedicine, the partial pressure of oxygen in whatever gas mixture you're breathing is the critical thing. Reduce that, by just adding nitrogen to displace the oxygen, or dilute it, and, as long as the carbon dioxide doesn't build up you'll just drift off into unconsciousness and then death, quite peacefully I think.
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Old 24th Aug 2017, 20:42
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'Live every day as if it's your last, because one day you are going to be right'
Quote from film 'Breaker Morant'. Survived stage 4 bowel and colon cancer 7 years ago. Lost 7 of my best male friends in the last five years, only two were older than I [being nearly 75]. Dying is part of life, and I think about it most days. I look back at the wonderful life I never expected to have, being from a very poor family etc. Met and married the most beautiful girl I had ever seen, 46 years married now, travelled the world, flew light aircraft and gliders, Skydived for a time, have lovely offspring etc etc., and ran my own business for 39 years. When the time comes, which of course it eventually will, I have always said that I can die with a smile on my face, because I had such a good time. I keep going with the walking, dancing, watching the diet etc. in order to prolong it for as long as possible. Last 'wish list' box will be ticked in May, cruising Alaska.
My thoughts, however, are always with people less fortunate than myself, and the thought of loosing people very close is very troublesome. My wife is 8 years younger than I, and I do hope I will be the first to go, because I am not sure that I could cope otherwise...........
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