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Old 9th Aug 2017, 07:05   #1 (permalink)
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Aggressive Jogging

Personally I wouldn't call it aggressive jogging, I'd call it attempted manslaughter. I doubt they'll have much problem finding him, there are so many CCTV cameras in central London they'll be able to trace back to his home or office.

Jogger rage: Putney Bridge runner flings woman in path of bus

Britain’s roads have long witnessed motorists’ rage and clashes between cyclists and drivers but a new battle may have broken out on the pavements.

Reports of aggressive jogging across the country emerged yesterday after police released footage of a male runner shoving a woman into the path of an oncoming bus. With plenty of room on the pavement, the jogging man could easily have passed by the woman walking towards him on his right-hand side. Instead, he appears to veer towards her, reach out with his hands and shove her into the path of a bus.

The man is now being hunted by police after officers released footage of the incident on Putney Bridge, in southwest London. The woman, who has not been named, escaped serious injury by “a very slim margin” when the jogger used his hands to shove her out of his way. Footage of the incident recorded by a camera on board another bus shows the unknown man colliding with the woman on an otherwise empty pavement. The driver of the oncoming bus swerved to avoid hitting the woman as her head and upper body fell into its path.

Sergeant Mat Knowles, an investigating officer for the Metropolitan Police, said: “The victim was put in extreme danger when she was knocked into the road. It was only due to the superb quick reactions of the bus driver that she was not hit by the vehicle.” He said that several members of the public had responded to an appeal for information by reporting similar incidents across London. “This is a deliberate act on his behalf,” Mr Knowles told the Evening Standard. “His hands come across and push her. At this point she is the only person on the pavement. The footpath is eight to ten feet wide — there is plenty of room. Before the footage he is running through a crowded bus stop and managed to do that without hitting anyone.”

A source at Go Ahead London, which operates the 430 bus route, said that the driver was able to react in time because he had only been travelling at 12mph. One employee at the company who asked not to be named described the driver as a hero. “A lot of us get a bad reputation for causing accidents but this shows why we are professionals. He saved this woman’s life and he should be given a medal or something.”

Hundreds of people shared the film on social media in the hope of tracking down the man, who was running across the bridge at 7.40am on May 5....... The Putney jogger was vilified on social media. A woman from Taplow, Buckinghamshire, wrote: “Note the coward didn’t accidentally push the man he passed before her! Well done bus driver!”

Police said the bus stopped and passengers tended to the woman, who is 33. She suffered bruising and back pain from the incident. Officers said the jogger ran the other way across the bridge around 15 minutes later and the victim attempted to speak to him, but “he did not acknowledge her”.

An appeal has been launched for witnesses or anyone who recognises the jogger in the CCTV. Anyone with information is asked to call police on 101 or Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555111.

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I was astonished when I saw this. The b****** appears to GO OUT OF HIS WAY to push her so there may be more to it than meets the eye. The police need to find him quickly. If that young woman has husband/partner/brothers I imagine they'd be feeling pretty murderous at the moment.
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It seems odd that this incident took place three months ago (May 5th 2017), yet only now are we hearing of it. The images of the perpetrator seem pretty good, so why has so long passed without him being identified and apprehended?
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It seems odd that this incident took place three months ago (May 5th 2017), yet only now are we hearing of it. The images of the perpetrator seem pretty good, so why has so long passed without him being identified and apprehended?
Plod have now finished the risk assessment and can start investigation?
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Perhaps the police didn't want to spook the jogger in the hope that he might use the same route or blow his cover in another way.
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Old 9th Aug 2017, 08:35   #6 (permalink)
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It seems odd that this incident took place three months ago (May 5th 2017), yet only now are we hearing of it. The images of the perpetrator seem pretty good, so why has so long passed without him being identified and apprehended?
And the population of London is ?

And if he has no previous convictions and is not on a database, how would you propose he can be identified ?

That, and after committing the offence, as the police have confirmed, he's astute enough to change his run to exclude Putney Bridge.

Now that his image has been brought into the public domain however, thus widening the viewing demographic considerably, possibly this is why the public are now being asked to help identify him.
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And if he has no previous convictions and is not on a database, how would you propose he can be identified ?
Well I notice that you just clarified your thinking by editing and adding the last sentence.

I was going to say if it were me in the still, about 20 people at my work could, with a reasonable degree of certainty, identify me immediately. I suggest the previous poster is wondering why the police didn't put it out there earlier.
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That, and after committing the offence, as the police have confirmed, he's astute enough to change his run to exclude Putney Bridge.
I run around Putney regularly - different times on different days of the week and I see the same runners on the same routes frequently. I understand from the press report that the victim recognised her attacker and challenged him later as he was crossing in the opposite direction which struck me as odd; why would he go back after committing an apparently unprovoked attack on an innocent pedestrian? Something I noticed from the still of the attacker on the news last night was his socks; most proper runners I know in the UK don't wear socks like his - they looked like a style I'm familiar with from North America. I wonder if his victim was targeted?

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To target the victim your must plan the attack.

To have the attacker, victim and a bus at the same spot at the same time is difficult, especially if the bus is behind you.
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I don't think so. I'm of the opinion that it was a targeted attack and well aimed. i.e., attempted murder.

I would easily (back a few years) have been able to 'clock' the progress of that bus by sound and peripheral vision to get the timing right.

That bus driver saved her life.

The more times I run that clip the more I'm convinced.

If they can lay hands on that bastard, I trust he'll serve 5 years minimum.
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To have the attacker, victim and a bus at the same spot at the same time is difficult, especially if the bus is behind you.
True but Putney Bridge usually has a number of relatively slow moving (but enough to do serious damage) busses crossing simultaneously throughout the day. The runner had just passed the bus in the same direction although I admit that the timing would have to be pretty accurate. Lets hope he's caught then.
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If he gets caught, the CPS will go for assault at most.
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Nothing would surprise me about the CPS's decisions. If anyone is guilty of wasting police time, it's the CPS.

This man deviated from his track, took a very specific aim and hurled his victim into a road thick with traffic.

At the angle he turned to, in an instant his peripheral vision would have been able to confirm the vehicle's distinctive sound. A sound he would have known perfectly well.
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POLICE IN LONDON investigating an assault where a jogger appeared to push a woman into the path of an oncoming bus in Putney have made an arrest.

A 41-year-old man was arrested on suspicion of causing grievous bodily harm following police enquiries at an address in the Chelsea area this morning. He has been taken to a south London police station where he remains in custody.
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To target the victim your must plan the attack.
How long must one plan an attack?

If one sees a collision potential is one not obliged to do whatever is possible to avoid that collision?

If one, as in this video....clearly has every opportunity to assess the situation and does naught and then AFTER the collision does not stop to assist the other person.....how much more proof do you need to lay blame upon the perpetrator?

Had that Bus Driver not been as attentive and responsive to what would very likely have been a fatal occurrence....the Plod would be investigating a Murder.
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Glad to see the "alleged" tosser has been arrested in Chelsea.
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Only GBH! Should be attempted murder. Hope they've got the right man.
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If the only evidence they have is the video, plus eye witness reports, then, under English law, what other offence could he be charged with?

AFAICS (and I'm no expert by any means) the only law applicable is the Offences Against the Person Act, 1861.

There is clear evidence of common assault, and the police presumably have enough evidence to think they can prove that the assault occasioned grievous bodily harm, which is right at the upper end of the assault offence range. Guidance on this law can be found here: Offences against the Person: Legal Guidance: The Crown Prosecution Service and here: Offences against the Person: Legal Guidance: The Crown Prosecution Service

Having read through it, I have doubts as to whether they will get this charge to stick, and suspect that if they charge him it would seem more likely that it may be assault occasioning actual bodily harm, based on the reported detail (which may well be inaccurate) that the victim was not seriously injured. guidance on that offence is here: Offences against the Person: Legal Guidance: The Crown Prosecution Service

For those saying that the charge should be attempted murder, perhaps a read through this guidance on the law may help show why that cannot be the case, based on what we know: Offences against the Person: Legal Guidance: The Crown Prosecution Service
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Only GBH!
Last time I read anything about this, attempted murder was very difficult indeed to prove, as, unlike for murder itself, you have to prove intent.
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