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Old 17th Aug 2017, 14:31
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I noticed at LGW that EJ refuse to use the airbridges claiming that boarding/disembarking is quicker. Don't worry about the pax going up and down stairs with carry on wheelies in rain (also don't worry about pax of limited mobility). They should be made to use airbridges if available.
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Old 17th Aug 2017, 15:10
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Is there a charge for airbridges, then? Other LOCOs don't seem to use them as much as legacy carriers, IME.
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Old 17th Aug 2017, 16:02
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Ezy SOP. Captain parks. Often guidance systems only aligned for CM1 seat or just a stop line on the Captains side to align with. Plus insurance I believe.

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Old 17th Aug 2017, 16:23
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Yes, there is a charge. In my opinion the charge should be for not using them.

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Old 17th Aug 2017, 16:49
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Originally Posted by BusyB View Post
I noticed at LGW that EJ refuse to use the airbridges claiming that boarding/disembarking is quicker. Don't worry about the pax going up and down stairs with carry on wheelies in rain (also don't worry about pax of limited mobility). They should be made to use airbridges if available.
You can use airbridges if you want to - just buy a ticket with a more expensive airline who keeps hundreds of millions of pounds' worth of revenue-earning hardware sitting idle on the ground whilst people get on and off more slowly.


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Old 17th Aug 2017, 16:55
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Without even considering the weather conditions or the ability of elderly passengers to carry their baggage up and down stairs (they put wheels on them you know) I dispute that it is any slower. There are not enough hi-lifts available to lift people of restricted mobility on to all the aircraft at LGW hence delays for arrivals and departures.
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Old 17th Aug 2017, 18:09
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Safedock...

As WBV said. Parked in FAO today on an airbridge - visual guidance was for LHS seat only. Not everywhere is Safedock, or its equivalent.

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Old 18th Aug 2017, 06:20
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Thanks for clearing this up. Am I right in thinking that in days gone by most ac only had a tiller for the captain so most FO didn't do any taxing until they got command - seems nuts. From what I gather most ac now have dual tiller control but I guess not all airports docking systems have caught up. Makes sense for EJ has a one fits all policy in that case as it's one more thing not to have to work out before you get there.

Looking forward to the next episode.
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Old 18th Aug 2017, 07:41
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Originally Posted by BusyB View Post
I noticed at LGW that EJ refuse to use the airbridges claiming that boarding/disembarking is quicker. Don't worry about the pax going up and down stairs with carry on wheelies in rain (also don't worry about pax of limited mobility). They should be made to use airbridges if available.
That must be a change in SOP since February, when both EZY flights I took used the air bridge.

Incidentally, I was slightly nervous about using EZY then - entirely unfounded as check-in was a breeze and on board service was great. Even seat pitch wasn't as horrendous as I thought - I'm 6' 5".

A million miles ahead of the last short haul flights I'd had with BA!
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Old 18th Aug 2017, 07:45
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Originally Posted by Station_Calling View Post
As WBV said. Parked in FAO today on an airbridge - visual guidance was for LHS seat only. Not everywhere is Safedock, or its equivalent.
Back when I was an FO it was a case of "left a bit", "right a bit", "slow down", "stop".

Worked well, never crashed.
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Old 18th Aug 2017, 09:07
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Seems those guys waving table tennis paddles about are completely redundant!? Did anyone ever really know what that was all about
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Old 18th Aug 2017, 11:13
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It was policy last year I can't speak for this year if its changed
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Old 21st Aug 2017, 21:25
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Tonight's latest offering almost as bad as the first.
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Old 21st Aug 2017, 22:19
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Capt: (referring to new FO's first PA) "Tell them we're over the Bay of Biscay"
FO: "The Bay of what?"
Says it all really. Semi skilled labour.
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Old 21st Aug 2017, 22:52
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Yet again a hugely cringeworthy offering.
I half expected Brucie to leap out and say "Didn't he/she do well!"
Whilst the grim old barstewards of the past were not great, training is not a jolly, jokey, smiley process.
If that is how it is done in EJ then I would avoid flying with them.
I am sure their training ethos is nothing like it was portrayed but I guess they seek to attract people with a spare 120k to pay for training which should be paid for by the employer.

I hesitate to single out those who may have denied the acting profession of a skilled performer but you know who you are.

They should be ashamed of themselves and, I am sure, those who took part, with possibly two exceptions, will look back with embarrassment upon permitting themselves to be used as marketing dupes.

Something which worries me is that, in the days when pilots were trained by the mil or by airlines at the employers expense, they had a large pool of hopefuls from which to select. Now we only have, in the civil world, the vastly reduced pool of those with a spare 120k whose innate skills may be somewhat exceeded by their parents' wealth.
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Old 22nd Aug 2017, 04:50
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Originally Posted by MNRAF View Post
Yet again a hugely cringeworthy offering.
I half expected Brucie to leap out and say "Didn't he/she do well!"
Whilst the grim old barstewards of the past were not great, training is not a jolly, jokey, smiley process.
If that is how it is done in EJ then I would avoid flying with them.
I am sure their training ethos is nothing like it was portrayed but I guess they seek to attract people with a spare 120k to pay for training which should be paid for by the employer.

I hesitate to single out those who may have denied the acting profession of a skilled performer but you know who you are.

They should be ashamed of themselves and, I am sure, those who took part, with possibly two exceptions, will look back with embarrassment upon permitting themselves to be used as marketing dupes.

Something which worries me is that, in the days when pilots were trained by the mil or by airlines at the employers expense, they had a large pool of hopefuls from which to select. Now we only have, in the civil world, the vastly reduced pool of those with a spare 120k whose innate skills may be somewhat exceeded by their parents' wealth.
First off the show isn't for professional pilots, it's a bit of light hearted entertainment for the public. It isn't going to be 100% accurate.

Who cares if they're jolly, make jokes and smile? They have achieved their childhood dream and are enjoying their flight training. It's great to see people who enjoy their jobs. It will make them more enthusiastic and passionate about learning. I'm sorry if when you learnt it was frowned upon and screaming and bullying your trainees into having a negative outlook was the accepted way. Times have changed.

Whilst I think the cost of training is too high, it isn't just a matter of paying your way into a job, you'll have to pass through some quite strict barriers to get into an academy like CTC in the first place.

And if you didn't notice it at the end of the episode the experienced Training Captain clearly states the new class of trainees are "really good" and "really switched on"? They can fly quite well.
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Old 22nd Aug 2017, 05:09
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Originally Posted by eal401 View Post
That must be a change in SOP since February, when both EZY flights I took used the air bridge.
I have flown with EZY many times in the past and all of our flights used the fwd and rear stairs rather than use an airbridge.
Obviously this might vary for certain airports !
The only thing I do not like about using the F+R stairs is that at some airports you end up out in the boonies and hence you have the added 'bonus' of a coach ride to the terminal
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Old 22nd Aug 2017, 07:17
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I noticed that lots of the aircraft had their registration numbers greyed out.

What's all that about?
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Old 22nd Aug 2017, 07:56
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I liked the bit where the cabin crew were all saying how hard and professionally the girls up front always seemed to be working when they popped in.

When in fact we saw them, they were chirping away merrily about this that and the other.

My ingrained memory of flying with captains that didn't seem to relate to the world at all normally:


The flight-deck door opened and both pilots started switching all the switches on the overhead panel. When they'd done that, they pressed all the buttons. They did this because it was expected of them.
This was from one of my odder posts. One of those posts that just kind of arrive in one's mind but are based on a myriad of bits of memory sewn into a multi-coloured quilt. Not least of all, when I did my first unsupervised flight as a co-pilot on a shiny new BAC 1-11, the captain was on his first unsupervised flight. No one was flying as the aircraft took off. He'd got in a muddle with the 'Put left hand on this and right hand on that. 80kts, do something else. V1/Rotate, Oooooo too exciting, hang tightly on the tiller and the throttles. Make eyes bulge to the point of popping out.

Crush eyes back in. Grab controls. Make sensible Herrrrumph noises and carry on as though you always did that.


The following captain was one of a kind that you never knew what he did on his days off. Which always let one's imagination free to roam.


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Old 22nd Aug 2017, 09:38
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Having seen episode two, I have to comment as follows:

(a) As someone has commented, the copilot whos education is so bad that he didn't know where the bay of Biscay way, but it got worse how could he not know what chip butty was? Again he did even know how to use the interphone, sure that was included on his simulater training. Even funnier some of the PAX though he sounded like a young woman.
(b) In the first episode, it was stated that Easyjet operates a sterile flight deck below 10,000 ft.
(c) People on the flight deck during the approach and not srrapped in.
(d) The program states that the turn around has gone from one hour to twenty five minutes, the female captain helps tidy up the cabin. I have never had a problem assisting the cabin crew, but I draw the line at being a cleaner on the turn around, despite pilots have too much to do.
(d) Why was the registration on the T67 'blurred out' yest in an a earlier clip it is G-BWXL. There is something funny going on here, as having previously been registered in the Republic of Ireland it was deregistered on 08.06.15 to the Czech Republic! Can anyone enlighton me.
(e) Next there the girl from Oxford, who has done her flight training in NZ. Why does CTC feel she needs training in steep turns and stalls, surely, how stupid, surely she did that in her basic training??? It is note worthy that they didn't spin the aircraft. To claim a few stalls and steep turns and turns in a light aircraft is part of upset training. The problem here is tha upset recovery is very different, in highly automatated aircraft which operarate at the edge of the envelope, the recovery requires a bit more than flying a loop in a T67, I refer to AF 447.
(f) i think the Easyjet cadet scheme, may actually eventually backfire on them, because as all the pilots who have come through the traditional routes retire, they will end up with the 'children of magenta' as captains, and sooner or later there will be a Soiux City, type systems failure, i don't think these cadets will ever be able to cope with a complete failure by way of example of control surfaces, I am very doubtful they will have the handling experience like those who have gone before them. Likewise, I wonder if any of these cadets could ever make it as training captains, because unlike the traditional routes, they will not have the instructional experience, teamwork and leadership skills which you gain through cilian and military careers.
(g) Finally, it a bad reflection on the airline industry and BALPA who did little to prevent such schemes, that with minimal selection and 120 k you can buy yourself a job as an airline pilot. I appreciate most students pay for their own education, but their is a educational standard as there is for the RAF and RN. I find it worrying that someone doesn't know what a chip butty is, or hasn't heard of the Bay of Biscay, I think that says alot about both Easyjet's and CTC's selection policy. Sadly, this series will only produce more applicants, funded by the Mum and Dad.

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