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Old 10th Aug 2017, 08:39
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
These things are all part of artistic licence. Many posters are taking it all too literally. I am sure that the film makers were perfectly aware that the glide sequence wasn't possible in real time. It was a representation, I think a lot of people have never read any fiction at all.

I must admit that personally I don't get science fiction, but understand that many love it and have the facility to suspend disbelief when confronted by such tosh as teleportation etc.
There is artistic licence and there is taking the p*ss. Dunkirk's Spitfire was the latter.

Science fiction is obviously and knowingly fiction - comparing a film attempting to replay a real event with Star Trek is frankly pretty silly.
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Old 10th Aug 2017, 15:31
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
Probably more likely that persuading the residents of a town to agree to have their aerials and vents removed isn't at all easy and so they compromise at the expense of upsetting a few people who are really that bothered about these details.
It's very easy to remove items like TV aerials in post production - I do it on my home computer for my own movies.
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Old 10th Aug 2017, 20:38
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BTW I do apologise with my apprentice obsession with French TV aerials...having spent a several hours this spring replacing an old French UHF set up on our chimney with a modern "TNT" set up....and then had to clamber back up onto the roof twice to tweak the darned thing following strong winds it is subject close to my heart...I am now available as a consultant to the film industry on antenna, French, TNT....
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Old 10th Aug 2017, 20:45
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Too much nit picking. Its a great film, well I enjoyed it immensely.
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Old 11th Aug 2017, 06:31
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Originally Posted by Echo Romeo View Post
Too much nit picking. Its a great film, well I enjoyed it immensely.
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That's a whole lot of nits to pick from a piece of history. Sure it's a movie but...
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Old 11th Aug 2017, 23:21
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Heard of the theory about multiple parallel universes?
I rather like the spitfire in the one where Germany successfully invaded Britain.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/o74qchnl58...ss-gb.mp4?dl=1
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Old 20th Jul 2018, 22:16
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For what it's worth?

I happen to think 'Dunkirk' was the best movie that I saw in 2017. It's a movie, NOT a historical documentary, so 'nit pick' all you like, but it is, by any reasonable standard, a great film. The air combat sequences were, without any doubt, the very best ever filmed. I rarely watch the 'bonus features' on DVD, but in this case I made an exception, and the explanation of what Chris Nolan wanted to achieve, and how he did it, was superb. The non-linear narratove, once you understood the concept, was a superb idea. Three different story threads, each taking place over a different period of time but all converging to one end, with the tension racked up and up throughout the film, well I saw it three times at the cinema and came away feeling rung out every time.

Comparison with the 1958 film is pointless. They are two completely different films which just happen to be about the same period in history.

Nolan's 'Dunkirk' is, like Spielberg's 'Private Ryan' and 'Norman's 'The Cruel Sea', a film about war, not a war film.
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Old 20th Jul 2018, 22:33
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That's a whole lot of nits to pick from a piece of history. Sure it's a movie but...

Audio/visual unsynchronised

As the soldiers abandon the Dutch trawler, the planes fly overhead. They are all propeller-driven (as were all operationally deployed aircraft at that point in the war). However the English subtitling for the scene says, "Jet engine roaring."

Careless. When in "The King's Speech" the Prince of Wales landed in his Tiger Moth, it was painful to see the producers were not bothered to paint the Tiger authentically.
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Old 21st Jul 2018, 13:29
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The worst movie I have seen in a long time. In spite of knowing the outcome it was impossible to follow a coherent plot that jumped all over the place
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Old 21st Jul 2018, 20:31
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Originally Posted by Terry Dactil View Post
OK as entertainment, but disapointing overall for anyone with any aviation knowledge of the period.

Some things that made me go 'arrrgghghh'.
  • Spitfire pilot with no idea of deflection shooting.
  • Thinks it a great idea to close the canopy before ditching. Then doesn't know about the crowbar clipped to the door just for use in opening a jammed canopy.
  • Aircraft code leter missing on the spitfires. I have looked up the squadron code 'LC'. It was for RAF Fetwell which was a bomber station, so no spitfires there.
  • A spitfire that can glide forever. A competition glider pilot that saw the movie with me now wants to trade his high performance sailplane for a spitfire!
Some good air to air photograpy let down by the details.
/pedant mode off.
Not all WW2 fighter pilots were good at deflection shooting. I'd wager that for every 'ace' there were probably a score or more of average pilots who never mastered it. There is plenty of documentary evidence which supports this.

Maybe the pilot wasn't thinking straight before he decided to ditch? Easy to be cool, calm and collected in training but not so easy when it's for real. Maybe there was no crowbar clipped to the cockpit door? I have seen photos of contemporary Spitfires where it is missing - lost, borrowed and not brought back, whatever?

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Old 21st Jul 2018, 20:44
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Originally Posted by MAINJAFAD View Post
Yep, and if you read an NACA report about aircraft ditching (which was based on RAE research during the war) the Spitfire wasn't that easy to ditch either (Hurricane and Mustang were worse). However a couple of Spit pilots did do wheels down landings on the French beaches in late May and didn't tip over too far, though the front gear did dig in. (Aircraft serials were N3295 and N3103 apparently), so Nolan isn't wrong on that fact.
In fact one Spitfire pilot landed wheels up on the sand thinking he could repair damage and take off again and taxied up to the dunes, only destroyed his aircraft when he realised that he could not fix it. P/O G.G.A. Davies of 222 squadron, 31st May 1940. His own account of it is on page 97 of my softback copy of 'Air Battle for Dunkirk' by Norman Franks.
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Old 21st Jul 2018, 21:39
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Originally Posted by Xray4277 View Post
I happen to think 'Dunkirk' was the best movie that I saw in 2017. It's a movie, NOT a historical documentary, so 'nit pick' all you like, but it is, by any reasonable standard, a great film. The air combat sequences were, without any doubt, the very best ever filmed.

Nolan's 'Dunkirk' is, like Spielberg's 'Private Ryan' and 'Norman's 'The Cruel Sea', a film about war, not a war film.
Saving Private Ryan was a fictional story set against real events (D-Day) - Dunkirk is about real events. Very, very big difference. And yet the Omaha landing in Private Ryan is so well done and so accurate that D-Day veterans had flashbacks. Many people watch a movie like Dunkirk and think it's historically accurate - they can't be bothered to do actual research. I still recall seeing "Battle of the Bulge" in a theater as a young boy when it first came out - for years I thought that's how the battle ended with the Germans abandoning their equipment and walking back to Germany . I wasn't until as a teen I started reading books about what really happened that I discovered how historically bad the movie was (apparently no less authority than Dwight Eisenhower panned it for how inaccurate it was).
As for the flying scenes - a lot of CGI around a few real aircraft. If you want to see great aerial combat scenes on film, watch Battle of Britain. Even taking account of the (relatively) primitive special effects B of B is far better than the CGI in Dunkirk.
I have both Dunkirk and Darkest Hour on BluRay. I'll be watching Darkest Hour repeatedly - little interest in watching Dunkirk again...
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Old 21st Jul 2018, 22:33
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Utterly crap film that was so embarrassing people were almost openly laughing by the end with the Spitfire sequence. I know some people here are (quite rightly) extremely patriotic but this film.. sorry 1/10. Script really was bad, they should have asked me for help, hey I know nothing about Dunkirk but I'm sure it had more men than could fit on a football pitch.
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Old 21st Jul 2018, 22:41
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If we were picking up chicks we would all prefer the 8.6/10 rather than the 8/10 wouldn't we? Saving Private Ryan v Dunkirk when all things considered. I reckon the 8/10 is skewed with the current generation and smartphones. Dunkirk was probably the coolest thing Wonder Woman or Logan and 'liked' accordingly.
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Old 21st Jul 2018, 22:59
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I reckon the 8/10 is skewed with the current generation and smartphones.
That is a good point... and likely very true... some of these new films get hundreds of thousands 10's (folk that don't think either rate 1 or 10) whilst some serious classics (ahemmm... Midnight Run*) lounge around the 7.5 mark, when they really should be a lot higher.

*De Niro: "I've got two words for you... shut the f**** up"
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Old 22nd Jul 2018, 00:46
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I found it to be a very shallow film. The only character I felt any empathy with was Branaghs naval officer. The rest seemed entirely under developed.
The aerial scenes were very flat with no drama at all.
One of my least favourite films...and I've seen the new Blade runner!!
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Old 22nd Jul 2018, 06:56
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I saw it a while ago while I was 'wasting time' in the back of a long-haul flight. I am glad that I did not waste money to see it in a cinema. I grew up reading a lot about Dunkirk (for one, anyone remember Gun Buster's books?). This film had nothing to do with Dunkirk other than the name and that it was about some soldiers getting off a beach. I is an utterly rubbish film.
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Old 22nd Jul 2018, 14:08
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Originally Posted by Tashengurt View Post
I found it to be a very shallow film. The only character I felt any empathy with was Branaghs naval officer. The rest seemed entirely under developed.
i agree about Branagh although I did keep getting the feeling that he was trying to do an impersonation (badly) of Lawrence Olivier playing Hugh Dowding in the Battle of Britain.
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Old 22nd Jul 2018, 17:20
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Originally Posted by tdracer View Post
Saving Private Ryan was a fictional story set against real events (D-Day) - Dunkirk is about real events. Very, very big difference. ..
No difference at all actually - the Dunkirk evacuation and D-day were both real historical events. None of the characters or events in 'Private Ryan' actually existed or took place, or at least not exactly as depicted in the film. Same for 'Dunkirk'.
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Old 22nd Jul 2018, 17:55
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I wonder if it would be possible to calculate the average age of the nay sayers on this thread?

At the risk of repeating myself, maybe itís just good that the movie brought the events of Dunkirk to a younger audience who would otherwise live in ignorance.

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