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Old 5th Jul 2017, 04:21
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The Americans

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HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY AMERICA!
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Old 5th Jul 2017, 12:18
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Nobody (including Britain) repaying the USA for their loan after WW2 ? As I recall we repaid every cent, which took us to 2002 to clear the debt!

As an aside, that is some comb over!
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Get over it.....you are still paying off debt from the 1800's and the First World War.

When you cannot get along with your neighbors and then force exorbitant rates on their Debt (think Germany post WWI) that causes them to default on their payments to you.....you reap what you sow.


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Old 5th Jul 2017, 17:05
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We may well be paying off historic debt, but not to the USA. That was completed in 2002.

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Old 5th Jul 2017, 17:14
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" When you cannot get along with your neighbors and then force exorbitant rates on their Debt (think Germany post WWI) that causes them to default on their payments to you.....you reap what you sow "

Such as , lets think, Mexico perhaps ?.....and a certain wall perhaps?...true, not, as yet, actually built, but, that's getting planning permission for you I suppose and we all know how much red tape planners can come up with.....and then there's still the bill, plus interest ( these forms of largesse do tend to attract this unfortunate add-on) so the debt tends to increase....bit like a credit card really.
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Originally Posted by Tankertrashnav View Post
Nobody (including Britain) repaying the USA for their loan after WW2 ? As I recall we repaid every cent, which took us to 2002 to clear the debt!
FWIW, 90% of Britain's WW2 "Lend-Lease" loan debt was written off. $650 million was repaid, which represented about 10% of the loan. Post war (July 1946), Britain was loaned another $3.75 billion by the US and $1.2 billion by Canada. There is much controversy about whether those post war loans were used to fund the Labour Governments' welfare state or operate Britain's vast oversees Empire from which Britain was withdrawing post WW2. With the loan rate fixed in 1946 at a very low 2% rate, (Parliament stated the loan terms were "very advantageous" to Britain), in the later decades of repayment, Britain was able to earn more interest on investing the due loan amount and earning interest on that investment than on repaying it. Nevertheless, the loan was finally fully paid off on Dec 29, 2006, (6 years late) with Britain having earned more interest on it over the entire period than they paid.
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
" When you cannot get along with your neighbors and then force exorbitant rates on their Debt (think Germany post WWI) that causes them to default on their payments to you.....you reap what you sow "

Such as , lets think, Mexico perhaps ?.....and a certain wall perhaps?...true, not, as yet, actually built, but, that's getting planning permission for you I suppose and we all know how much red tape planners can come up with.....and then there's still the bill, plus interest ( these forms of largesse do tend to attract this unfortunate add-on) so the debt tends to increase....bit like a credit card really.
Really?!! You think rhetoric during a political campaign creates actual debt? And you further believe that campaign rhetoric about a wall between Mexico and the US means we "cannot get along with our neighbors"? REALLY?!!!

Wow.
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Old 5th Jul 2017, 17:50
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Really?!! You think rhetoric during a political campaign creates actual debt? And you further believe that campaign rhetoric about a wall between Mexico and the US means we "cannot get along with our neighbors"? REALLY?!!!

Wow.
I think you may wish to address the above to the several million American voters, who, erm, did....and still, no doubt, do.

Best of luck breaking the bad news to the electorate ....
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
I think you may wish to address the above to the several million American voters, who, ern, did....and still no doubt, do.
Oh My! You imagine there are "several million Americans" who believe campaign rhetoric creates actual international debt and believe the US cannot get along with it's neighbors??!! What are you smoking?
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Canada repaid every cent.
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Old 5th Jul 2017, 19:23
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"Roosevelt, eager to ensure public consent for this controversial plan, explained to the public and the press that his plan was comparable to one neighbor's lending another a garden hose to put out a fire in his home. "What do I do in such a crisis?" the president asked at a press conference. "I don't say... 'Neighbor, my garden hose cost me $15; you have to pay me $15 for it' I don't want $15 I want my garden hose back after the fire is over."......

In practice, very little was returned except for a few ships. Since the Lend-Lease agreement did not provide any practical mechanism for allied nations to make good on any materials or equipment destroyed in the war, the United States government was in fact implicitly conceding that it did not expect the return of every piece of material and equipment that it was loaning to its allies. Any suggestion otherwise in the part of the administration was intended more as political rhetoric to keep public opinion on its side as opposed to serious foreign policy. The intended and actual commitment the United States expected from its allies was to prevent the ravages of the conflict from reaching the North American continent.

This in turn helped to ensure that the United States would be the world's strongest most prosperous industrial power by the end of the war.".......
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Old 5th Jul 2017, 19:26
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Rudyard Kipling

An American

The American Spirit Speaks

The American Spirit speaks:
If the Led Striker call it a strike,
Or the papers call it a war,
They know not much what I am like,
Nor what he is, My Avatar.

Through many roads, by me possessed,
He shambles forth in cosmic guise;
He is the Jester and the Jest,
And he the Text himself applies.

The Celt is in his heart and hand,
The Gaul is in his brain and nerve;
Where, cosmopolitanly planned,
He guards the Redskin's dry reserve

His easy unswept hearth he lends
From Labrador to Guadeloupe;
Till, elbowed out by sloven friends,
He camps, at sufferance, on the stoop.

Calm-eyed he scoffs at Sword and Crown,
Or, panic-blinded, stabs and slays:
Blatant he bids the world bow down,
Or cringing begs a crust of praise;

Or, sombre-drunk, at mine and mart,
He dubs his dreary brethren Kings.
His hands are black with blood -- his heart
Leaps, as a babe's, at little things.

But, through the shift of mood and mood,
Mine ancient humour saves him whole --
The cynic devil in his blood
That bids him mock his hurrying soul;

That bids him flout the Law he makes,
That bids him make the Law he flouts,
Till, dazed by many doubts, he wakes
The drumming guns that -- have no doubts;

That checks him foolish-hot and fond,
That chuckles through his deepest ire,
That gilds the slough of his despond
But dims the goal of his desire;

Inopportune, shrill-accented,
The acrid Asiatic mirth
That leaves him, careless 'mid his dead,
The scandal of the elder earth.

How shall he clear himself, how reach
Your bar or weighed defence prefer --
A brother hedged with alien speech
And lacking all interpreter?

Which knowledge vexes him a space;
But, while Reproof around him rings,
He turns a keen untroubled face
Home, to the instant need of things.

Enslaved, illogical, elate,
He greets the embarrassed Gods, nor fears
To shake the iron hand of Fate
Or match with Destiny for beers.

Lo, imperturbable he rules,
Unkempt, desreputable, vast --
And, in the teeth of all the schools,
I -- I shall save him at the last!
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Queen to revoke US Independence because ?they can?t be trusted with it?
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Old 5th Jul 2017, 19:36
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Disappointed to see that the thread is not about the TV series called "The Americans". It is a brilliant series about two deep cover Russian agents working in the USA during the 80s.
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Old 5th Jul 2017, 20:11
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Wherever they can stick a name so that it shall glorify anything pertaining to England, there they stick it. You never hear of an Englishman speak of the Hawaiian Islands--no, he calls them the Sandwich Islands; Cook discovered them second-hand, by following a Spanish chart three hundred years old, which is still in the British Museum, and named them for some one-horse Earl of Sandwich, that nobody had heard of before, and hasn't since--a man that probably never achieved any work that was really gorgeous during his earthly mission, excepting his invention for confining a slice of ham between two slices of bread in such a manner as to enable even the least gifted of our race to eat bread and meat at the same time, without being bewildered by too elaborate a conjunction of ideas. I suppose, if the real truth were known, some foreigner invented the Sandwich, but England gave it a name, in her usual cheerful fashion. They never even speak of the whale that swallowed Jonah merely as a whale, but as the Prince of Wales. They think it suggests that he was an English whale. If he was that, that is sufficient. That covers up any probable flaws in his character. It is nothing to them that he went about gobbling up the prophets wherever he found them; it is nothing that he interfered with their business--nothing that he put them to infinite delay, discomfort and annoyance; it is nothing that he disgorged prophets in such a condition, as to personal appearance, that they might well feel a delicacy about preaching in a strange city. No--being an English whale was sufficient to make this infamous conduct excusable; and being English, they are willing to let the "great fish" pass for a whale, notwithstanding a whale's throat is not large enough to let a man do down.
- Letter to San Francisco Alta California, February 11, 1868

Nothing much has changed has it!
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Old 5th Jul 2017, 21:47
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Happy Independence Day! Maybe a deal has to be done with the Chinese to send the Dear Fat One a message he can really understand.

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Old 5th Jul 2017, 23:14
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America obviously has its faults - as we all do. But we would all be far worse off without it, whether it had Trump or Hilary as President. A bit late, but Happy Independence Day.

And long may it be true:

And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!


Although an American friend of mine currently on vacation in a rental villa in France wanted to know why European domestic appliances weren't as simple to use as American ones. I told him that 'American ones are simpler to use because they have to be!'
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Old 5th Jul 2017, 23:39
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In the middle of the Iran one hot summer day....my British Engineer was about to strain something as he tried to Torque something on the Alouette III. I strolled by with a cold beer in my hand and offered he should just give it a good Yank.

Without missing a beat he replied "I did not know there was such a thing!".

The Ground Staff seemed a bit stroppy on that operation for some reason.
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Old 5th Jul 2017, 23:50
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Stroppy Brits ?

Maybe it was you.............

You didn't throw a radio at him did you ?

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